I didn't say there was, illiterate loon.
Frankfurt School: In our time
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krtek a houby
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What are you trying to mansplain about sexuality, then, you pound shop Ezra?
No need for the anti-semitic epithets.
JimW
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This is a bit of a myth I think, though he became a communist before he had the chance to read much of the original. Then Wang Yanan and Guo Dali translated Capital in the late thirties and there's a copy with Mao's reading notes on it. It's notable that his early forties essay On New Democracy is probably as close to something more orthodox on political economy before he starts waltzing off down his own road again afterwards, and the influence of the Soviet model overshadows everything.
I'm sure he read some Marx, but from what I've read by Mao he doesn't come across as someone who was heavily steeped in Marxist theory and doctrine - my point is that the success of the Soviet model in rapidly industrialising the country (and Stalin's more digestible and less theoretical account of that) was more influential than Marxist theory itself.
JimW
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That's only a comparatively brief and later turn that is then again abandoned though. Earlier he went against Marxist orthodoxy by substituting the peasantry for the proletariat, and there was a fair bit of thought went into that (Wang Ya'nan also wrote a fair amount on it and was in senior posts down in Fujian), then you get the pro-Soviet period when the aid was coming in and there was the push to industrialise, then there's the break and it's back to the people's communes with mixed industry and farming.
All a bit beside our point I realise and certainly don't think he picked up much from the Frankfurt School or other Western Marxist currents, more just wanted to emphasize that there was quite a lot of debate around core Marxist ideas in the relative freedom prior to them winning the civil war. With Mao and his "applying it to Chinese realities" my sense is it's both what it says on its face and him thinking he knew best, then no-one to stop him in his latter years.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
just been watching the (very good) BBC doc on disco - how it came out of the New York Gay scene and brought together gay culture, black culutre and feminsim and its legacy of the mainstreaming of outsider indentities where its ok to be black, trans, gay a women or whatever you want. In terms of wokeness and "culture war" demonology - disco is clearly one of the big bads. Interstingly it did not pick up on how it was all down to Adorno and Horkhimer and their fellow jews academics plotting away, distibuting their pamflets at stonewall and giving lectures at studio 54 on marxist beatmatching. Its almost like their ideas had absolutely fuck all to do with it.
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PTK
Paul Kegan
Communist thought perhaps, rather than Marxist thought - I think.
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
I remember Glitter Up the Dark by Sasha Geffen being pretty good on disco and house.
He did make some kind of attempt to reconcile Marx with classical Chinese philosophy, the yin and yang as dialectical contradiction and that sort of thing. But I agree with you--he didn't know what he was talking about.
The "Disco Sucks" movement is fascinating too. There was a famous, organized anti-disco riot in Chicago, and numerous smaller affrays throughout the country. These days it's totally obvious that it was an orgy of racism and homophobia, but no-one seemed to notice (or care) in the 70s.
Can you explain what you mean by this?
I know I'm going to regret asking, but I can't help myself. What did you mean by this? Were you trying to be anti-semitic? At first I thought you were, and I was so traumatized I had to withdraw to my safe space (McGillicudy's Lounge), but now I reckon you were thinking of Ezra Pound. That doesn't really help much though. Can you tell us what you were thinking?
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
His use of the word "ursury", his pretending not to be antisemitic, etc. He came across as a narcissistic troll.
He did have the poems, though.
What do you have?
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
If it actually took you two days to work out that "Pound shop Ezra" might be a reference to Ezra Pound, then all those youtube videos you've been watching, or possibly not watching but then sharing anyway, have seriously rotted your brains. It's not exactly cryptic crosswod stuff.
Tbh I did not believe him capable of making a literary pun. I stand corrected, that's actually not bad at all. I'm going to steal it.
mystic pyjamas
Don't call us,we'll call you.
First time I heard this expression was on question time.
Russell Brand calling Nigel Farage a ‘pound shop Enoch Powell.’
Russell Brand calling Nigel Farage a ‘pound shop Enoch Powell.’
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Of course, because you're a narcissistic snob, just like Pound.
DJWrongspeed
radio eros
Got this for Xmas, cheers for the recommendation, very accessible so far and still relevant.I thought this was a quite readable intro to it all:
Grand Hotel Abyss
In 1923, a group of young radical German thinkers and intellectuals came together to at Victoria Alle 7, Frankfurt, determined to explain the workings of the modern world. Among the most prominent members of what became the Frankfurt School were the philosophers Walter Benjamin, Theodor Adorno...www.versobooks.com
One of the more memorable things I read this year and it doesn't pull any punches with some of them being brillianrt but also arseholes.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
Russell Brand is a pound shop Russell Brand, though.
I'm amazed you can tell Ezra Pound from Laurie Penny.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Not surprised, given your Pound like shilling.
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
An off-brand Russell Brand, surely?
Is this thread going to turn into currency jokes? That'd be a welcome change.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Russel Brand is a Harrods Cunt
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
I have a yen for them.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
Thread won. For real.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Don't bank on it
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