The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
They'll need to consider whether to either cancel or finish this years first and how the monies would be divvied up if its the former.
Football and coronavirus
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Apparantly UEFA have written to their members tonight to tell them a concrete plan to bring games back in July/ August will be devised by mid-May . Hints at annoyance at unilateral decision of Belgium to end league season which still has one game to go, and also the Netherlands for placing a deadline. "Any decision of abandoning domestic competitions is, at this stage, premature and not justified,"
One of the scenarios envisages playing remaining European games once domestic leagues have been played to a satisfactory finish. So Champions League not before August, if at all.
Reminder to those that want to void season that it's UEFA that decides who plays in its competitions and nobody else.
One of the scenarios envisages playing remaining European games once domestic leagues have been played to a satisfactory finish. So Champions League not before August, if at all.
Reminder to those that want to void season that it's UEFA that decides who plays in its competitions and nobody else.
Without being able to guarantee that next season could be completed on time and without any interruptions, there is no point declaring this season null and void. Why would next season fare any better given further outbreaks and lockdowns are almost inevitable?
I think we need to accept that the traditional August-May season is out of the window for the foreseeable future. Until this Covid business is under control, the football season lasts for 38 league games, with an additional number of cup games played across various cup competitions, and is played to completion as outside events allow.
I think we need to accept that the traditional August-May season is out of the window for the foreseeable future. Until this Covid business is under control, the football season lasts for 38 league games, with an additional number of cup games played across various cup competitions, and is played to completion as outside events allow.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Not true. The FA decides who goes into the UEFA competitions. Hence the occasional debate on whether FA cup winners should get a Champions League place.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Nulling and voiding isn't on the table as yet and is unlikley to be imo due not least to potential legal action.
No, 39thStep is right. UEFA competitions are by invitation. The FA might be able to request a change to the numbers of teams going into each competition but ultimately it will be down to UEFA.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I'm going to partially agree and partially disagree. The FA get to decide within the framework of EUFA competition rules and guidance.
Steel Icarus
we move
West Brom and Leeds would be straight to court if the season stops with no promotion.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
There will be very little basis for legal action tho. Members of the league sign up to the rules and if the league committee decide to void season there’s fuck all anyone can do. Why only Leeds and WBA anyway, they aren’t assured of promotion, and as I’ve said previously Leeds were just about to have their usual implosion.
Steel Icarus
we move
Is a scenario feasible where Liverpool are awarded the league but West Brom don't get promoted? Or Norwich relegated?
BCBlues
Lend us a Twenner
We should just cancel next season (20/21) and then take our time finishing this seasons fixtures. Any spare time could be used up playing freindlies between Prem/Championship sides v Lge 1&2/Non Lge and local competitions, gate receipts to lower league funds and other good causes.
I'm dreaming of course.
I'm dreaming of course.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Both the EPL and Championsip have said that voiding is the least favourable option. However all leagues below the National League have already been voided with no promtion or relegation. Belgium League has finished prematurely with places decided. In the Dutch league several clubs including the top two and fourth placed have called for the league to be anadoned with the Dutch League saying they want to complete the fixtures. Several national football associations will meet with teams early next week for further discussions.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Anything is possible but personally I think the approach has to be consistent, whatever eventually happens.
If I had to guess I think the season will ultimately be abandoned. I know that's seen as the least favourable option but my guess is that's the way things will move the longer this goes on for, and it's likely to go on for a fair while. The longer it takes and the more bodies are seen coming out of makeshift hospitals the less important finishing the season will seem. Things like 'but clubs will take legal action' will disappear over time - I don't think it will be seen as acceptable ultimately.
Obviously just me speculating but I have heard things are starting to move that way a bit in Italy already, due to the currently much worse situation there.
I think pressure will grow to abandon it too, but it makes no sense unless the 20/21 season is certain to start and finish on time. Which it isn’t.
I think the collective mindset needs to be led towards one of playing when possible and shutting down when necessary. Seasons will be open-ended, but at least there will be some sport being played. It’s obviously not a priority relatively speaking, but for many people it offers an enjoyable diversion.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
This the dliemna , does the thinking start with finsihing this season or does it start with how do we start next season.There's all sorts of wild and wonderful ideas being pushed. In Portugal one proposal being considered is to move all the games to the Algarve, players kept isolated in the empty hotels there and play out the rest of the season in a competition behind closed doors.There's plenty of lower league grounds that could be used in addition to the Algarve Stadium and Portimonense's ground.
Yes, I read somewhere that the PL have considered moving the teams to China to complete the season, so at least irony isn’t dying on it’s arse.
More likely that they’ll finish this season behind closed doors, for legal reasons as much as sporting, then start again on a rolling basis. The 2022 World Cup being in winter might help in that it could be used to reset to a seasonal timeline if possible by then.
More likely that they’ll finish this season behind closed doors, for legal reasons as much as sporting, then start again on a rolling basis. The 2022 World Cup being in winter might help in that it could be used to reset to a seasonal timeline if possible by then.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
More on that UEFA letter
European Soccer Teams Get Clarity and a Warning (Published 2020)
European soccer leaders have written to teams and leagues to map out a plan to return to action in July and August, warning there would be consequences should leagues abandon seasons unilaterally.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
UEFA president Aleksander Ceferin spoke to Germany's ZDF channel this morning and said
"The Belgians and any others who might be thinking about (cancelation) now are risking their participation in European competitions next season."
"The Belgians and any others who might be thinking about (cancelation) now are risking their participation in European competitions next season."
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
If yo hold UEFA presents in any type of esteem you are barking.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
UEFA invite so many teams from each FA, the make up of those teams was determined by the individual FA's. it now seems tan UEAF are getting all Billy Big bollocks about this and making them selves look even bigger cunts than they already were.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
What leads you to suggest that I ' hold UEFA presents in any type of esteem'?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Premiere League suspended indefinately , also proposes wages cut by 30%. Meeting tomorrow with EPL, all clubs and PFA to discuss wage cut.
www.mirror.co.uk
Premier League season suspended indefinitely after coronavirus crisis meeting
The 2019/20 campaign is now on hold without a fixed return date after chiefs from all 20 Premier League clubs held a conference call on Friday morning
www.mirror.co.uk
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
OK just to clear up the EPL decides who in the CL/Europa League v its invite ony discussion.. Here's what the UEFA regulations say for both:
Champions League
Europa Lague
Champions League
Europa Lague
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
I meant UEFA presidents, sorry!
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
It doesn’t describe how this champions are decided, so it doesn’t preclude deciding a league as Belgium have done.
hash tag
Reaching out
How to win friends and influence people, in a time of crisis is to think of nothing but myself especially as I cannot ply my trade.
www.independent.co.uk
Players attack Premier League's 30 per cent pay-cut proposal
Players’ union released statement on behalf of top-flight stars criticising proposals made by Premier League clubs, pointing out the impact a pay cut would have on NHS funding
www.independent.co.uk
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
How to win friends and influence people, in a time of crisis is to think of nothing but myself especially as I cannot ply my trade.
Players attack Premier League's 30 per cent pay-cut proposal
Players’ union released statement on behalf of top-flight stars criticising proposals made by Premier League clubs, pointing out the impact a pay cut would have on NHS funding
Its a complicated business with competing strands of interest and neither the PFA or the EPL are covering themselves with glory in how they respond to the effects of the corona crisis .The real issue here is the relationship of TV monies and whether the season is completed or not. If the season was to be null and voided ( this is the worse case scenario) then the EPL will have to reimburse those who bought the TV rights for games unplayed. The figures would obviously be subject to some form of protracted negotiations but the ball park is around are something like £750m, £480m to Sky/BT and £270 to overseas TV companies. Some Euro broadcasters like Bein Sports are already are already approaching Leagues to discuss reimbursement. Hence the EPL demands on players salary reduction is to plug a large gap in what a null and void decision means for all clubs in the EPL. The hit for each club varies from £55m ( Liverpool) to Norwich's £15m. So this isn't about It isn't about money to the NHS ( the £20m donation might well be a sincere gesture by the EPL but its not the main issue). The PFA's stance , although it may well be a negotiating stance and it is also one that has some sympathy apparently within govt circles, is that a cut of 30% is actually a loss of tax revenue to the govt that could be spent on the NHS. Therefore the PFA are demanding a bigger donation to the NHS from the EPL whilst they consult their members. There is rumoured to be a collective or attempts at a collective response from players through Jordan Henderson re a donation to either the NHS or aid for corona virus outside that of some EPL clubs, ie Chelsea, Man City etc have already made.
The financial bomb that will hit the EPL is the season is null and void explains the proposals to try and play out the season behind closed doors ie this is the best case scenario for the EPL. Initially it could have opened up more games being sold to mitigate no revenue from match attendance perhaps even trying to remove the 3 o'clock KO restrictions . However now ,that could be seen as profiteering .That could still go ahead however I think they and the broadcasters would be under some pressure to donate some revenue from that to the NHS.
The decision for some clubs to furlough non playing staff and apply for govt monies has been the subject of some criticism however businesses with billion pound turnover shave done exactly the same thing from British Airways, Virgin to MacDonalds.
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hiraethified
It's an odd argument but I suspect this crisis is going to focus some people's minds on the obscene amounts of money that footballers get and what they give back.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I wouldnt necessarily single out footballers for obscene amounts of money and giving back tbh. At least in football there are some players that use their money for some excellent schemes that benefit ordinary people .
