Fatalities and critical injuries at Asake concert crush at the Brixton Academy
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friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Yup not an easy read at all. I was lucky enough to work with Phil many moons ago when he was writing about the the youth justice system, specifically in relation to Thompson and Venabals and the Bulger case.
He was a major contributing factor in bringing the miscarriage of justice that Hillsborough was to it's conclusion. A solid reminder of why dogged academics are so important to society.
A very important Liverpudlian as well now given his wooleyback origins. .
Athos
Well-Known Member
You're all right, of course. Which is all the more depressing.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
The ground itself was also a contributing factor though. It was far from safe and that's well documented but then again even those grounds that were classed as 'Safe' were all accidents waiting to happen. My brother was at the other semi final on the day of Hillsborough and he is still connectively traumatised by both incidents. He remembers only too well as a young teenage lad that it could have so easily of happened there too.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
No doubt about that. The ground was a disaster as were many other grounds at the time.
What lessons have been learned that pertain to this though? An event venue in an urban setting. We’re week in week out there are gigs and most people just queue up. How can they be set up for a rush of hundreds if not thousands of people intend on getting in without a ticket.
Tragic and nightmarish
David Clapson
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If it was 3000 people too many, for a 5000 person ticketed gig....that's strange. Going out for the evening with your plan being to force your way past security...who does that? Do Asake fans get all manic, like Beatles fans did? And Madonna fans and (apparently) Liszt fans? Is it revolutionary music?
…and people are calling me a cunt.
It’s selfish because you want something for free which is not free. It’s dangerous because entitled little cunts like you decided you have the right to just turn up and enter.
People died because of that.
I remember at Glastonbury 2000, coming back from seeing The Flaming Lips at the New Bands (?) tent and the acts at the Pyramid and Other stages had finished at the same time.
All of a sudden we’re on a lane and people have come from all angles and we’re all just stuck, although not being crushed.
There was wire fencing and I could hear the guy on the other side talking to his mate about taking it down to let people through and I shouted “don’t you fucking dare open this. It’s going to cause a stampede!” Thankfully he didn’t.
All of a sudden we’re on a lane and people have come from all angles and we’re all just stuck, although not being crushed.
There was wire fencing and I could hear the guy on the other side talking to his mate about taking it down to let people through and I shouted “don’t you fucking dare open this. It’s going to cause a stampede!” Thankfully he didn’t.
Are... are you saying she's responsible for her own death?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
The people who went without tickets or forced their way inside were likely responsible. It was sold out, so many there will have had tickets.
When people push into a crowd from behind, the people at the front are at the greatest risk. It's likely those who were killed or badly hurt did nothing wrong.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Only went to glastonbury once. The experience of shuffling along in a vast crowd on the tank tracks, basically powerless to go anywhere, is not one I intend to repeat. Punter numbers have nearly doubled since then as well.
shakespearegirl
just worked out taglines
I was there and it was my last Glastonbury, the crowds were overwhelming and it didn’t feel safe
the megafence went up the next year as a result of the crowding I think - I got caught in a crowd that was definitely the most unsafe I've ever felt in a crowd that year too. I reckon it was only good luck things didn't go badly.
i think he is saying that, if she didn't have a ticket?
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
that's not a fact, that's an assertion, an interpretation of facts
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Would most people reasonably expect that going along to a gig with the intention of trying to get in free would lead to deaths and injuries?
I don't think so.
On this kind of logic, no-one should go to events like the Notting Hill Carnival unless they want to be held responsible for any tragedies that might happen.
I don't think so.
On this kind of logic, no-one should go to events like the Notting Hill Carnival unless they want to be held responsible for any tragedies that might happen.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Notting Hill Carnival is an open ticketless event. The SAG plan for that set of circumstances and the venue and have contingencies in place to minimise risk. Most indoor tickled events are planned for the venue and the number of tickets sold. If you rock up to the latter with the intention of forcing your way in for nothing then you defiantly are contributing to chipping away at the safety margins.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I don't really think it's reasonable to expect a bunch of excited 19 year olds to be thinking along these lines.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
That's another area where we differ then.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Yeah, god forbid adults are, errr, adults.
Indeliblelink
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One person fell off the railings above the beach but it was well after the event finished, the other person died of a heart attack but they were somewhere else on the beach, not at the concert. I was there, it was crowded for sure but I never felt squashed or in danger, of course I can only talk about locations I was in. It certainly could of turned into a disaster with the numbers that turned up but I don't think it came as close to it as people make out.
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pinkmonkey
2.4 hour party person
The only thing I can think of to sort these sort of issues is could a gig get flagged for extra security or even consideration to move to a more suitable venue if demand for tickets are unusually high, could they then monitor social media and find out if there's a high number of touts? Otherwise I don't know how you'd fix this, human nature is unpredictable.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Think you're right there. I was caught in a jam in 1999. Had to make a kind of cage with my elbows so I could breathe. A few people were freaking out a bit, with their mates trying to calm them.
There was no 'rush' as such, but a lot of pressure, and if there had been a rush it could have got really nasty. Went again in 2002 and there were a few bunch-ups but not that kind of pressure from all angles.
Shame that we don't seem to have learned that much in the intervening time.
I bet you didn't engage in any risky behaviour when you were 19
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