nogojones
spelling is overrated
The people who were trampling on others were most likely doing it due to the force of the crowd behind, not because they were bad people. It's how crushes work.
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Fatalities and critical injuries at Asake concert crush at the Brixton Academy
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hiraethified
Plenty of footage here. The first one is truly 
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
Yes, came here to say this as was at the same event. Scan the QR code on the turnstile at the perimeter. Not feasible at the Academy which IIRC opens directly onto the street
Oh no! All over a night out. How sad. When it went from four critical to three, I was hoping that they would just take their time to get better. That really is awful to happen at Christmas.Unfortunately one of the women involved has died
skyscraper101
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This is heartbreaking stuff. Those poor people who were hurt.
I don’t know what the best thing to have done was but when people are getting crushed presumably all that can be done is cancel the show immediately and and open all access to stop the crushing. Tragic that someone should’ve died like this.
I don’t know what the best thing to have done was but when people are getting crushed presumably all that can be done is cancel the show immediately and and open all access to stop the crushing. Tragic that someone should’ve died like this.
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hiraethified
BBC latest. One woman dead two still in critical condition. It's awful.
Brixton Academy: Woman dies after Asake concert crush
A woman has died and two others remain critically injured after a crush at the Brixton O2 Academy.
www.bbc.co.uk
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hiraethified
This footage showing people trying to smash their way in is fucking terrifying
news.sky.com
Asake concert: Crowd tries to enter venue in Brixton
The Met Police said eight people were taken to hospital by ambulance, four of whom were in a critical condition, while others were treated at the scene by paramedics.
news.sky.com
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
The last video is actually a really interesting example of the issue. You can hear and see people who are at the back of the crowd where pressure and density won't be that high thinking it's just a bit of a laugh. The problem is that pressure is amplified through the crowd to the point that metal crash barriers can get bent. Of course lot's of people do realise this. You can also hear people commenting on how dangerous it all is.
Intelligence failing perhaps? So should the organisers, and/or licensing authority / SAG* done more at the risk assessment stage to predict the large numbers of un-ticketed people ? (if indeed this was the issue, the UK history of crowd disasters should cause people to be wary of first accounts.) Should the old bill have had some input? although i'm not sure the days of the police banning music events with predominantly black people as an audience are ones anyone would want to go back to.
Mind you the site looks to be a bastard. i guess you'd need a full or part road closure and do the the ticket checks at crowd barriers that fed into a sterile area. That would probably look like taking 200M of the road. Not sure how neighbouring business, residents and people using the road would have reacted to that.
A fucking tragedy though.
* (Does this venue have a Safety Advisory Group ? Any Brixton event organisers on here know please?)
Intelligence failing perhaps? So should the organisers, and/or licensing authority / SAG* done more at the risk assessment stage to predict the large numbers of un-ticketed people ? (if indeed this was the issue, the UK history of crowd disasters should cause people to be wary of first accounts.) Should the old bill have had some input? although i'm not sure the days of the police banning music events with predominantly black people as an audience are ones anyone would want to go back to.
Mind you the site looks to be a bastard. i guess you'd need a full or part road closure and do the the ticket checks at crowd barriers that fed into a sterile area. That would probably look like taking 200M of the road. Not sure how neighbouring business, residents and people using the road would have reacted to that.
A fucking tragedy though.
* (Does this venue have a Safety Advisory Group ? Any Brixton event organisers on here know please?)
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beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
This surge literally snapped the front barrier in two, the impact force on those at the front must have been incredible. My friend was in the FOH tower mixing them at the time and says it was about the most terrifying thing he’d ever seen. They were extremely lucky nobody was killed.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
My comment was based on the assumption this was a 3000+ venue three nights.
Interesting figures you found there.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Yes agreed. There have been 30 years of concerts at the Academy and this is the first fatality to my knowledge.
Which is why they need to establish what specifically went wrong.
bimble
floofy
This, getting crushed by a mass of people in a confined space is my worst fear, like its pretty much at the level of a phobia a thing that I worry about when I shouldn't.
I was there not very long ago (burning spear) and remember feeling this gratitude to the crowd for being so slow and patient and gentle even whilst being herded around squished together that I didn't have to get scared even for a moment at all.
People being trampled to death right there on that familiar happy memories spot just really hard to take in.
I was there not very long ago (burning spear) and remember feeling this gratitude to the crowd for being so slow and patient and gentle even whilst being herded around squished together that I didn't have to get scared even for a moment at all.
People being trampled to death right there on that familiar happy memories spot just really hard to take in.
AverageJoe
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I was at Donnington Monsters Of Rock in 1996/87 when Guns and Roses came on for their first ever UK show just after "Appetite For Destruction" had dropped.
The crush killed two and I was totally swept off my feet and had no idea where I would land. It went on forever. What started as a fun day ended up pretty traumatic.
The crush killed two and I was totally swept off my feet and had no idea where I would land. It went on forever. What started as a fun day ended up pretty traumatic.
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nogojones
spelling is overrated
Christ!
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Crowds are terrifying.
bimble
floofy
That's my instinctive feeling too but I've been trying to get better about it, went to my first football match recently, which is crowds plus the added terror of lots of them wearing the same thing.
This crowd at academy it probably felt fine just a moment before it didn't, and it could even have been one person's actions that set off the chain of events but that's the thing isn't it that's what makes crowds potentially terrifying.
T & P
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I don’t know how reliable single eyewitness claims can ever be, but some bloke said earlier today on a BBC R4 news bulletin interview he saw two people being given CPR, outside, then a third being brought from inside who was then worked on by the paramedics ’for a considerable amount of time’. So that would suggest there was a serious situation inside.
Athos
Well-Known Member
Football crowds now nothing like what they used to be. The old days used to get really hairy. I'm still amazed it took a long as it did for a Hillsborough to happen.
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
There was crowd crush type disaster that happened nearly 20 years before Hillsborough. The Ibrox disaster.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
If you read Phil Scraton's book Hillsborough The Truth, it starts with the telling of a crowd crush disaster. It's not until the chapter is some way through that Scraton reveals he's describing the Burnden Park disaster some 43 years before Hillsborough and not Hillsborough itself.
It didn't take that long to happen, it already had happened, not once but twice, and nothing was learnt from it which is what makes Hillsborough even more of a tragedy.
Burnden Park disaster - Wikipedia
Then there was Ibrox in 1971.
Page 18 onwards.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
and one 20 years before that.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
I remember being carried off my feet by the crowd round the back of the Radio 1 stage at noting hill carnival in the late 90s. Arms tight to my sides. Probably only a minute but felt like forever. Have not been back since. I felt like Coldharbour Lane during Splash was heading that way, possibly 2011, and got straight out. I really don't like crowds.
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
Not an easy read but an excellent retelling of events by Scraton that gave Hillsborough such a deep and long contextIf you read Phil Scraton's book Hillsborough The Truth, it starts with the telling of a crowd crush disaster. It's not until the chapter is some way through that Scraton reveals he's describing the Burnden Park disaster some 43 years before Hillsborough and not Hillsborough itself.
It didn't take that long to happen, it already had happened, not once but twice, and nothing was learnt from it which is what makes Hillsborough even more of a tragedy.
Burnden Park disaster - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Then there was Ibrox in 1971.
Page 18 onwards.
Gives a lot of insight into the complex reasons that feed into dangerous crowd situations.
i felt the same way when the fireworks were in Brockwell park. Pitch black and an uncontrolled crowd
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
1902 Ibrox
Wembley 1923 (no recorded deaths but c 1000 injuries
1946 Burnden Park
1961 Ibrox again
Hillsborough had been managed safely for years but the new commander, who had no background in what would now be called event management and public order, was too arrogant to listen to the people who had been commanding it for a few years.
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