Fatalities and critical injuries at Asake concert crush at the Brixton Academy

[killer b]

Who is 'they'? I must have missed that.

not sure, but it's the story all the news outlets and this thread ran with in the immediate aftermath

 

[A380]

I'm thinking about throwing out most of my favourite pottery.

Is Emma Bridgewater a racist then?

 

[friedaweed]

clapson is too ludicrous to bother with tbh.

Really? But do you think we should just roll with his casual racism? Genuine Question, never paid him much attention before? But wtf?

 

[Athos]

Really? But do you think we should just roll with his casual racism? Genuine Question, never paid him much attention before? But wtf?

I don't his history, but I interpreted that as a summary of an attitude he's criticising.

 

[friedaweed]

Is Emma Bridgewater a racist then?

Thankfully I've just realised that he's a Clapson and not a Clappison. Thew!, I nearly threw me best Hornsey out then.

Still, I'm not sure it's ok to denigrate and entire nation on some trope like all Nigerians are scammers in 2022??

 

[nottsgirl]

Thankfully I've just realised that he's a Clapson and not a Clappison. Thew!, I nearly threw me best Hornsey out then.

Still, I'm not sure it's ok to denigrate and entire nation on some trope like all Nigerians are scammers in 2022??

He’s attributing that attitude to other people. Read what he says.

 

[friedaweed]

I don't his history, but I interpreted that as a summary of an attitude he's criticising.

That's not how it's written

 

[friedaweed]

He’s attributing that attitude to other people. Read what he says.

I did.

 

[A380]

Thankfully I've just realised that he's a Clapson and not a Clappison. Thew!, I nearly threw me best Hornsey out then.

Still, I'm not sure it's ok to denigrate and entire nation on some trope like all Nigerians are scammers in 2022??

Phew.

As to the latter, I know it's not.

 

[8ball]

Still, I'm not sure it's ok to denigrate and entire nation on some trope like all Nigerians are scammers in 2022??

At least they’re not slavers like the bloody British.

 

[A380]

He’s attributing that attitude to other people. Read what he says.

Sadly he isn't.

 

[nottsgirl]

Blame the fans at Hillsborough = blame the Nigerians at the Academy

Here?

 

[friedaweed]

Here?

I wasn't responding to that post.

 

[killer b]

It's rarely possible to easily discern what Clapson means reliably, so it's best to just discard altogether ime

 

[A380]

Personally, despite getting sucked into it to start, i don't think this is the right thread to deal with his edge lord stuff.

 

[8ball]

Personally, despite getting sucked into it to start, i don't think this is the right thread to deal with his edge lord stuff.

Unpopular opinion: The best way to deal with an attention-seeker may not necessarily be to give them attention.

 

[pbsmooth]

On this logic no major incident should be reported until the full police investigation / public enquiry has been completed and released. Which would be a rather different vision of what news is. Probably would be more sober and balanced, sure - but not providing current or reasonably recent reporting either. News outlets have to exercise judgement (particularly about quoting incomplete accounts from self-identified witnesses to events - and in avoiding libel by directly putting responsibility on other people only alleged to be there) - but basically going out and finding eyewitnesses is what first-hand journalism is meant to do.

No, I just meant this isn't a very good example of the form.

 

[Diamond]

They did blame someone right from the start, a crowd of riotous fans with no tickets forcing their way into the venue. If it wasn't for reporting like this that tries to find out what actually happened, that would be the story everyone believed. In fact it will be the story most people believe, even with this corrective.

To be fair, there are tiktok videos of people at the venue on the night blaming their fellow fans for this behaviour. Now, they may all be mistaken. Individual eyewitnesses can get the wrong impression of an event quite easily. But this stuff is still there and is unlikely to be complete bunk.

 

[killer b]

Some people in crowds do behave badly, that's one of the reasons you need adequate crowd control measures.

 

[pbsmooth]

Based on the video evidence i think I'm pretty happy blaming the behaviour of the crowd, and seeing as this has never happened before in thousands of events run at the venue.

 

[killer b]

Yeah, I'm not really expecting you to change your mind. I can't remember the last time something like that happened.

 

[Tricky Skills]

Brixton Buzz on Twitter: "The @Lambeth_Council Licensing-Sub Comm will meet at 10am tomorrow. One agenda item: #Brixton Academy. 4 options: a. Modification of the conditions of the licence b. Exclusion of the sale of alcohol; c. Removal of the designated premises supervisor; d. Suspension of the licence." / Twitter

Agenda

 

[8ball]

Brixton Buzz on Twitter: "The @Lambeth_Council Licensing-Sub Comm will meet at 10am tomorrow. One agenda item: #Brixton Academy. 4 options: a. Modification of the conditions of the licence b. Exclusion of the sale of alcohol; c. Removal of the designated premises supervisor; d. Suspension of the licence." / Twitter

Agenda

Nothing that might help with reducing the chance of this happening somewhere else, then.

 

[killer b]

Nothing that might help with reducing the chance of this happening somewhere else, then.

I think it's oppropriate following a fatal crush at a music venue for the the council licensing committee to consider whether it should take action against the venue isn't it? It would be wild if there wasn't an urgent review.

 

[pinkmonkey]

Police sniffers are trained to sniff out a much more diverse number of different things and a lot of the time working in confined spaces which is why they'll use dogs like beagles, springers and the likes. An explosives dog will be trained to find just that and nothing else. A drug dog will mainly work on drugs but also cash. I met one once that could distinguish between both fake and real cash.

I forgot, my parents daft black lab was a sniffer from wakefield high security prison, he’d been ‘let go’ for being badly behaved. The amount of times he indicated though, to friends who had gear in their pockets, , he’d not forgotten that bit of the job. My parents had no idea

 

[8ball]

I think it's oppropriate following a fatal crush at a music venue for the the council licensing committee to consider whether it should take action against the venue isn't it? It would be wild if there wasn't an urgent review.

This is fair. These things are often largely concerned with the apportioning of blame, though. It can mean important lessons get lost in a cloud of defensiveness.

 

[killer b]

It can mean important lessons get lost in a cloud of defensiveness.

no shit

 

[tonysingh]

I forgot, my parents daft black lab was a sniffer from wakefield high security prison, he’d been ‘let go’ for being badly behaved. The amount of times he indicated though, to friends who had gear in their pockets, , he’d not forgotten that bit of the job. My parents had no idea

Badly behaved at Wakey? That's impressive tbf

 

[killer b]

tbf though, it could simply be that the main lesson to be learned - and I'm willing bet it's something like this - is 'make sure you fulfil the terms of your license and risk assessment and have the required number of suitably trained security staff on duty'.

 

[David Clapson]

Can"'t see a post saying that on here?

There is a world outside the urban75 bubble. I'm introducing white people to the rude things that different segments of London's black population say about each other. If you don't know any of the local black people that well, you might assume that, for example, West Indians and West Africans agree about everything. They don't. They present a united front when talking to a white audience. But privately they give each other a lot of grief. When they're mean to each other I doubt the white posters here would accuse them of racism. But because I've told you about it, you've got to shoot the messenger, to show how virtuous you are.

Nigerians do have a terrible reputation for scamming and cheating. Some of the ones in Brixton prey on each other, quite shamelessly. Corruption is so endemic in Nigeria that it's part of life, for everyone. It's expected. And in London the black communities who've immigrated from other countries are always moaning about Nigerians. It's not just the scams, it's partly because there are so many of them. So when a Nigerian rapper has thousands of people trying to force their way into a gig, with rumours of counterfeit tickets, there's going to be a fair bit of eye-rolling.

It's a bit sad that so many of the white posters here like to think they know what the black community are thinking. Your accepted information sources are Fleet Street journalists, Twitter and urban. They're 99.999% white.

Just as an experiment, try to get to know a Jamaican and a Nigerian. Get them to trust you enough to explain where they disagree about colonialism.