Fatalities and critical injuries at Asake concert crush at the Brixton Academy

[cesare]

No point.

 

[A380]

There is a world outside the urban75 bubble. I'm introducing white people to the rude things that different segments of London's black population say about each other. If you don't know any of the local black people that well, you might assume that, for example, West Indians and West Africans agree about everything. They don't. They present a united front when talking to a white audience. But privately they give each other a lot of grief. When they're mean to each other I doubt the white posters here would accuse them of racism. But because I've told you about it, you've got to shoot the messenger, to show how virtuous you are.

Nigerians do have a terrible reputation for scamming and cheating. Some of the ones in Brixton prey on each other, quite shamelessly. Corruption is so endemic in Nigeria that it's part of life, for everyone. It's expected. And in London the black communities who've immigrated from other countries are always moaning about Nigerians. It's not just the scams, it's partly because there are so many of them. So when a Nigerian rapper has thousands of people trying to force their way into a gig, with rumours of counterfeit tickets, there's going to be a fair bit of eye-rolling.

It's a bit sad that so many of the white posters here like to think they know what the black community are thinking. Your accepted information sources are Fleet Street journalists, Twitter and urban. They're 99.999% white.

Just as an experiment, try to get to know a Jamaican and a Nigerian. Get them to trust you enough to explain where they disagree about colonialism.

Jesus.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Are we livestreaming Alf Garnett's final stroke or something?

 

[Smick]

Just to add. I was at NIN there earlier this year and we had balcony tickets. No problem at all jibbing in downstairs - ''were you in here before?'' -- ''yeah''

I had friends who went to see Smashing Pumpkins in Dublin in the mid 90s. Seated tickets were more expensive than standing tickets so seated fans were allowed to go to the floor. Standing tickets realising it was a bit hairy on the floor tried to get up to the seated area and were told that they didn't have the right ticket. Then a crush occurred and someone died.

That's 30 years ago. You'd think lessons would have been learned by now.

 

[Supine]

Jesus.

I don’t think he is

 

[8ball]

I don’t think he is

“And lo, the Lord took his whip and drove the Nigerian money-lenders from the Temple.

For they were sore corrupt, and not FSA compliant…”

Bollocks 14:32

 

[Smick]

It's not just the scams, it's partly because there are so many of them.

That's straight out of the BNP handbook.

However many Nigerians there are in London, there are fewer of them than there are English. Fewer Nigerian criminals, fewer Nigerian thugs, fewer Nigerian everything than there are English.

The nationality of the concert goers cannot be blamed for the tragedy that night.

 

[BusLanes]

Looks like it's had its license suspended, according to Twitter/bbc

 

[Pickman's model]

There is a world outside the urban75 bubble. I'm introducing white people to the rude things that different segments of London's black population say about each other.

^ 'this is public service racism'

 

[editor]

Brixton Academy to close for 28 days

Lambeth tells Brixton O2 Academy to close for 28 days with ‘risk to the public high’ after two fatalities at Asake concert

Lambeth Council’s Licensing Sub-Committee has ordered the O2 Brixton Academy to close for 28 days following the deaths of Rebecca Ikumelo and Gaby Hutchinson during a gig by the artist Asake …

www.brixtonbuzz.com

 

[teuchter]

That's straight out of the BNP handbook.

However many Nigerians there are in London, there are fewer of them than there are English. Fewer Nigerian criminals, fewer Nigerian thugs, fewer Nigerian everything than there are English.

The nationality of the concert goers cannot be blamed for the tragedy that night.

There seems to be quite a bit of wilful misreading of what David Clapson has written, because while some of what he says might be speculative nonsense in itself, he is clearly not trying to blame london Nigerians himself - his whole point is about why that group might be unfairly scapegoated because of stereotypes attributed to them. At least as far as I can see anyway.

 

[8ball]

Looks like it's had its license suspended, according to Twitter/bbc

Seems reasonable not to want any big events going on there until things are properly investigated.

 

[Pickman's model]

Seems reasonable not to want any big events going on there until things are properly investigated.

or indeed any events going on there

 

[A380]

Seems reasonable not to want any big events going on there until things are properly investigated.

So. 47 Luxury flats with concierge available early 2024 it is then.

 

[8ball]

So. 47 Luxury flats with concierge available early 2024 it is then.

612 flats if the "interest rates" thread is anything to go by.

 

[edcraw]

Seems the right decision to close until they can show they can deal with these sort of situations. Although the incident in 2020 is a bit worrying if the venue didn’t handle it correctly and learn from it.

 

[DaphneM]

Brixton Academy has licence suspended after two people die in crush

Venue is closed until 16 January when a full hearing will take place after fans at Asake gig were trapped in a crowd surge

www.theguardian.com

 

[CH1]

I'm a bit surprised about the 4th Feb 2020 incident.
I had a run of three family funerals staring 30th December and ending in late February. Whilst there wasn't a lockdown in February they were setting rules like not more than 30 family members at a funeral.
What happened about mass entertainment venues then - and when?

 

[killer b]

I'm a bit surprised about the 4th Feb 2020 incident.
I had a run of three family funerals staring 30th December and ending in late February. Whilst there wasn't a lockdown in February they were setting rules like not more than 30 family members at a funeral.
What happened about mass entertainment venues then - and when?

you're a year out: feb 2020 was before covid had really set in

 

[edcraw]

I'm a bit surprised about the 4th Feb 2020 incident.
I had a run of three family funerals staring 30th December and ending in late February. Whilst there wasn't a lockdown in February they were setting rules like not more than 30 family members at a funeral.
What happened about mass entertainment venues then - and when?

That’s not right is it? Lockdown was 23rd March and gigs were going on pretty much until then.

 

[Mrs Miggins]

What happened in Feb 2020?
Apologies if I've missed something on the thread

 

[CH1]

That’s not right is it? Lockdown was 23rd March and gigs were going on pretty much until then.

Its not right that I'm a year out. I was asking about "gigs" - and you say they were unaffected until 23rd March - even though people were being warned off funerals by February.

 

[CH1]

What happened in Feb 2020?
Apologies if I've missed something on the thread

The Police produced an email at the Licensing Hearing this morning referring to a crush at the Academy on 3rd Feb. I think I misquoted the date. Its mentioned in the Buzz article, which I found comprehensive and helpful.

 

[Mrs Miggins]

The Police produced an email at the Licensing Hearing this morning referring to a crush at the Academy on 3rd Feb. I think I misquoted the date. Its mentioned in the Buzz article, which I found comprehensive and helpful.

Do we know what gig it was though? Just curious.

 

[killer b]

The email was on the 3rd Feb, so the event was presumably in the days beforehand, though they didn't say which one.

most likely Naira Marley I guess from these? https://www.concertarchives.org/venues/o2-academy-brixton--9?page=20#concert-table

 

[edcraw]

Its not right that I'm a year out. I was asking about "gigs" - and you say they were unaffected until 23rd March - even though people were being warned off funerals by February.

Really don’t recall that. Most were blissfully unaware well in to March as I remember it.

 

[xenon]

Its not right that I'm a year out. I was asking about "gigs" - and you say they were unaffected until 23rd March - even though people were being warned off funerals by February.

Gigs were fine. I went to 2 the weekend of 6th March. One at Academy Bristol.

 

[killer b]

Its not right that I'm a year out. I was asking about "gigs" - and you say they were unaffected until 23rd March - even though people were being warned off funerals by February.

You're right, sorry about that: there were no restrictions of people's movements (other than travelling to or from China) in February though.

 

[CH1]

The email was on the 3rd Feb, so the event was presumably in the days beforehand, though they didn't say which one.

most likely Naira Marley I guess from these? https://www.concertarchives.org/venues/o2-academy-brixton--9?page=20#concert-table

Looks like another Nigerian artist. Ticketing/staffing/crowd control issues?
Wonder what the email said?

 

[Sasaferrato]

On the odd occasion I go to a concert, I'm usually amongst the last going in, and coming out.

I went to see Floyd at the old Wembley stadium in 1988.

Coming out, the crowd funnels into the exits, the further on you go, the closer the crush of people. I had my arms down, and couldn't get them up again, I'm quite sure if I had died, i would have been carried forward by the crush of people. I'm not a small person, and was at the time a serving soldier, so quite fit. I'm not generally claustrophobic, but that experience terrified me. The thought that if you went down, you would be trampled to death was horrible. I don't think I've ever been so frightened, and felt so helpless in my life. What made it more dreadful was the replay in my head of the comments of a friend who was caught up in the Ibrox disaster in 1971, what he had described was happening to me.

Funny that, how something and nothing can still be crystal clear in your mind thirty odd years later.

1971 Ibrox disaster - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org