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Fat White Family & various offshoot bands (Moonlandingz, Insecure Men, Warmduscher, Pregoblin etc)

Lo Siento. said:
Not just you, but yes, you.
I'd love you to take me through the reasoning here, if it's not "I've known Bob for years, he's a lot of things but he's certainly not a racist/wife beater/rapist etc". As a shite retort to accusations of racism that one is up there with "some of my best friends..."
The point here is that your evaluation of their character means they can't possibly say racist things.
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even in courts character witnesses are allowed! surely it is relevant information? given that it was an anonymous second hand report, i thought it was worth mentioning to give balance. tallulah did clarify later on that s/he was only talking about 1 member, and that the rest of the band were "lovely" (later edited to "seemed alright"). so at least my incredulity clarified that much.
 
rutabowa said:
even in courts character witnesses are allowed! surely it is relevant information? given that it was an anonymous second hand report, i thought it was worth mentioning to give balance. tallulah did clarify later on that s/he was only talking about 1 member, and that the rest of the band were "lovely" (later edited to "seemed alright"). so at least my incredulity clarified that much.
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What you did was call people names,accused people of stalking you/fwf,showboated your loyalty to your pals and sent a flurry of grovelling pms to people to try and stifle any debate/criticism on urban.At the same time indulging in your sycophantic pr job .
Much as you'd like to present yourself as the voice of reason on this thread,which you've deliberately extended the life of,you've been anything but...Now, about asking your pal about his behaviour.
 
rutabowa said:
Yes it would be entirely different wouldn't it? So if it did, for example, happen like that, by any chance, then it wouldn't be racist, would it?

No i'm not going to ask. i personally am satisfied enough, with the evidence of the grosvenor unbarring him + my own experience. I'm not going to be yours or anyone's skivvy. "an anonymous person on the internet said that someone else heard you say a racist word 5 months ago, is that true?" No i'm not asking that.
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What if it happened the way suggested, that it wasn't reported speech. Would that be racist? If you say yes you then you follow it up with the above refusal to ask him then this says exactly what you are deny saying above. That you don't care if a mate of yours engaged in some racist abuse and won't lift a finger to find the truth. Your most revealing post on this thread yet I think.
 
butchersapron said:
What if it happened the way suggested, that it wasn't reported speech.
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then i don't think he would have been unbarred/able put on a night at the pub. in the absence of any witnesses at all, + personal knowledge, that is enough evidence for me not to need to ask, for my own peace of mind. I appreciate it is not enough evidence for you... but, i'm not going to do it for you.
 
rutabowa said:
then i don't think he would have been unbarred/able put on a night at the pub. in the absence of any witnesses at all, + personal knowledge, that is enough evidence for me not to need to ask, for my own peace of mind. I appreciate it is not enough evidence for you... but, i'm not going to do it for you.
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So you're still saying that tallulahj lied then? FWIW he could've made a grovelling apology to the Grosvenor folks, who then might have taken pity on the thing. The fact that he was barred should maybe be an indicator that he wasn't a little snow-flake at the very least.
 
Nanker Phelge said:
Pubs 'unbar' people all the time after they've done terrible things.

Unbarring someone in a band that's gonna bring in a ton people spending on drinks is not so hard to understand.....
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maybe some pubs.... but the grosvenor is well known for not tolerating racism. as was pointed out in this thread by tallulah
 
rutabowa said:
I have NEVER said it wasn't.
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Yet you keep implying it is - saying there were no witnesses when tallulah's colleagues clearly heard more than enough to bar one of the band. Which is it - are the Grosvenor staff lying? Simply misguided? Or was it the case that your mate SA was a fucking shitebag and got rightly barred?
 
rutabowa said:
I have NEVER said it wasn't.
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I have no specific agenda against the band or you and there's a lot of shit on this thread, but you have played your part in attempting to discredit and dismiss Tallulah's claims about what happened. I'd be a complete fucking idiot if I tried to fool myself it was anything else.

The band (who I think have a lot wrong with them) seem like a young and exciting live prospect and good luck to them, but if they have a member who is openly behaving/being accused of behaving in ways that might be racist or mysogynistic or xenophobic, regardless of his politics, background, beard etc, then wouldn't it be better for them to clear the matter up? Wouldn't you want to know the truth?

Loads of bands act like cunts, loads of bands do stupid things, loads of band members are wankers, loads of them are hypocrites and egotists and a pain in the arse, as are people here on Urban. I don't give a shit about that.

I do give a shit about racists (in bands and elsewhere) stomping about being billy big bollocks and then going all coy and quiet and hiding behind their friends and their band management when challenged on their behavior.

The issue hasn't been addressed directly and I suspect the band are having a proper snigger like good little naughty boys do when they rile people up.
 
Nanker Phelge said:
I have no specific agenda against the band or you and there's a lot of shit on this thread, but you have played your part in attempting to discredit and dismiss Tallulah's claims about what happened. I'd be a complete fucking idiot if I tried to fool myself it was anything else.

The band (who I think have a lot wrong with them) seem like a young and exciting live prospect and good luck to them, but if they have a member who is openly behaving/being accused of behaving in ways that might be racist or mysogynistic or xenophobic, regardless of his politics, background, beard etc, then wouldn't it be better for them to clear the matter up? Wouldn't you want to know the truth?

Loads of bands act like cunts, loads of bands do stupid things, loads of band members are wankers, loads of them are hypocrites and egotists and a pain in the arse, as are people here on Urban. I don't give a shit about that.

I do give a shit about racists (in bands and elsewhere) stomping about being billy big bollocks and then going all coy and quiet and hiding behind their friends and their band management when challenged on their behavior.

The issue hasn't been addressed directly and I suspect the band are having a proper snigger like good little naughty boys do when they rile people up.
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A reasonable post! I get your point.
 
... i don't agree with "I suspect the band are having a proper snigger like good little naughty boys do when they rile people up", but still the point is fair enough.
 
New video here.
The party's over.

For the bulk of the Noughties, British guitar music thrived in an atmosphere of optimism and fiscal support, with major label cash raining down from the Heavens.

Then, just like that, it all stopped. Of course, some people were never invited to the party. Peckham's Fat White Family didn't receive an invite, and no doubt thought the affair too tawdry, pathetic and obvious to spend much time worrying over.

Cut off from the mainstream, Fat White Family grew intense, angry, sick and imaginative. New single 'Heaven On Earth' is groaning psych-punk, all tattered and frayed at the edges, sounding like a unkempt, untamed, unrelenting beast.

Set to be released on November 18th, the track comes equipped with a stunning new video. Dark and deeply twisted, the visuals for 'Heaven On Earth' are part animated, with drawings handled by infamous Stateside comic artist Mike Diana.

Lauded by his supporters, Mike Diana grappled with the law as his incendiary work saw him become the first comic artist to be successfully prosecuted for obscenity in the United States.
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http://www.clashmusic.com/videos/exclusive-fat-white-family-heaven-on-earth
 
rutabowa said:
even in courts character witnesses are allowed! surely it is relevant information? given that it was an anonymous second hand report, i thought it was worth mentioning to give balance. tallulah did clarify later on that s/he was only talking about 1 member, and that the rest of the band were "lovely" (later edited to "seemed alright"). so at least my incredulity clarified that much.
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Firstly, how much stock do you reckon a jury would put in a Liverpool fan's assessment of Steven Gerrard's character? And secondly, how many times do we have to go through the really basic idea that someone can be in many others ways be a perfectly decent human being (even behave decently toward people of other races) and still think and say racist things? Look at Ron Atkinson, up until the day he was accidentally recorded saying a horrific racial slur, most people were totally unaware he thought such things, in fact he was widely recognised as one of the first to give young black footballers a chance in top level football.
 
editor said:
New video here.

http://www.clashmusic.com/videos/exclusive-fat-white-family-heaven-on-earth
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Still promotin them eh? :rolleyes:
I heard a try hard cure/fall/cramps tribute act with overblown production...the music stinks of constructed pretension,and so does the hyperbole of the reviewer,imo.It does have some minor potential though in its own mundane way,if that's your thang.The video's shite.
My review'd be called "average music with some potential,played by pretentious poser cunts"
 
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