Fat White Family & various offshoot bands (Moonlandingz, Insecure Men, Warmduscher, Pregoblin etc)

[redsquirrel]

It is impossible to deal with, as we don't have anyone that was there.

Rubbish, the band members could address the claims. Other witnesses could come forward.

 

[rutabowa]

Yeah, you have a point. There's a possibility that a) he didn't say it or b) he was direct quoting someone else whilst discussing how shocking it was or similar. From this thread only, as it's the only information I have, if I had to come down on the most probable truth, the bloke's probably said something racist, probably not directly quoting someone else.

that is fair enough that you would think that, as it was the only information you had... which is why i wanted, for balance, to give my extra information that i have never heard the guy say anything like that ever.

 

[gabi]

Yeah, you have a point. There's a possibility that a) he didn't say it or b) he was direct quoting someone else whilst discussing how shocking it was or similar. From this thread only, as it's the only information I have, if I had to come down on the most probable truth, the bloke's probably said something racist, probably not directly quoting someone else.

It's not an isolated incident. See badgers' posts pages ago.

 

[rutabowa]

Rubbish, the band members could address the claims. Other witnesses could come forward.

There are NO witnesses currently. I've tagged the person who made the claim.

 

[TruXta]

Sol? Saul? Not sure. Anyway, he has managed to piss off the staff so much that he's not welcome. Misogynistic, rude, and going around saying "n..gers can't read" etc, well he can fuck right off

Just to remind everyone what went on back in the summer.

 

[redsquirrel]

Actually that's an interesting point. The only information we have on this thread is from someone who knows someone who heard something babbled and mumbled by a drunkard which maybe contained the line "nig**rs can't read" or something like that. We also hear that he was drunk and being a nob (no excuse of course) and probably can't even remember himself in what context of what he was babbling about. Who is to say he wasn't trying to tell the tale of an internet thread he read about someone claiming that "nig**rs can't read"?
These are all things we don't know for sure.
What we do know is that the cap in question is not barred from the pub and that he and his band openly claim not to be racists and show no signs of any racism in their music or any of their actions.

So despite two incidents, we should just totally ignore what Badgers and tallulah have told us? And they the issue is that there is a possible racist action.

Also where has the "babbled and mumbled" come from?

 

[rutabowa]

The below is from the thread about the Canterbury Arms. gabi is talking about the landlord. I wouldn't be comfortable giving trade to a pub where i'd actually seen the landlord be racist repeatedly. let alone talk about it so fondly.

He is racist in an old school way. I noticed that the first few times I went there. He would stand at the door and bar certain people from entering, saying the place was full, when it clearly wasnt. He did have issues with Muslim Somalis just coming in to watch football, obviously without buying beer due to their religion. I think that was the main issue. But I think it's also a generational thing. I know thats an easy excuse, but for better or for worse I know some older people who are good people but have fucked up backwards views on race.

He also once threw me out because New Zealand (im a kiwi) thrashed Ireland in the rugby

Sounds dreadful.

No, quite to the contrary. It was a brilliant pub. Particularly when he wasn't about tho tbh.

 

[rutabowa]

So despite two incidents, we should just totally ignore what Badgers and tallulah have told us? And they the issue is that there is a possible racist action.

18 pages or however many of this thread shows it is not being "ignored". in the absence of a single witness we have gone about as far we can go tho. I've tagged the person who reported it in my post. so let's see.

 

[gabi]

Fair enough. Im not fond of Brian, I am fond of his pub tho. I'm also not fond of racists or their supporters. I'm still keen to see the bit where I'm a liar tho?

 

[butchersapron]

18 pages or however many of this thread shows it is not being "ignored". in the absence of a single witness we have gone about as far we can go tho. I've tagged the person who reported it in my post. so let's see.

Why don't you ask the person accused of the racist behaviour?

 

[redsquirrel]

18 pages or however many of this thread shows it is not being "ignored". in the absence of a single witness we have gone about as far we can go tho. I've tagged the person who reported it in my post. so let's see.

Well AS is arguing we should ignore it. And no we haven't gone as far as we can go, the points Lo Siento's raised (and that a number of people have repeatedly tried to get through to you and others) still stand.

 

[gabi]

The below is from the thread about the Canterbury Arms. gabi is talking about the landlord. I wouldn't be comfortable giving trade to a pub where i'd actually seen the landlord be racist repeatedly. let alone talk about it so fondly.

You are comfortable acting as a pathetic cheerleader for a coked up little racist, misogynist wanker tho?

 

[rutabowa]

Why don't you ask the person accused of the racist behaviour?

Could you answer my question first?

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Saul Adamczewski is openly available on Facebook. Why don't you all go aks him directly and report back?

 

[butchersapron]

Could you answer my question first?

What question?

 

[TruXta]

Saul Adamczewski is openly available on Facebook. Why don't you all go aks him directly and report back?

Like he'd admit to any of that on facebook.

 

[rutabowa]

What question?

if it did happen something like i said in my speculation, what would your opinion be?

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Like he'd admit to any of that on facebook.

You won't know until you try. PM him.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

To be fair, I challenged Saul on something fairly small after he got a little feisty on FB and he just failed to respond.

I don't think he likes being poked.

 

[butchersapron]

What's your speculation again?

 

[rutabowa]

What's your speculation again?

post 583. it is ONLY speculation i stress.

 

[gabi]

Rutabowa, where the fuck is the 'lying' you claim to have evidence of? You quite correctly quote me on the canterburys landlord being a racist and my distaste for him, but not sure how I come across as dishonest in that. Back up your accusations please.

 

[butchersapron]

post 583. it is ONLY speculation i stress.

Using that phrase as part of reported speech is entirely different from using it as part of a drunken show of being rude and not giving a fuck.

Are you going to ask him about it?

 

[rutabowa]

Rutabowa, where the fuck is the 'lying' you claim to have evidence of? You quite correctly quote me on the canterburys landlord being a racist and my distaste for him, but not sure how I come across as dishonest in that. Back up your accusations please.

oh well the lying was obviously when you said about him being barred from the albert. the canterbury thing was to show you are hypocritical. I'm washing my hands of you, don't expect any more replies from me.

 

[gabi]

I assumed, wrongly, that spouting xenophobic shit in the Albert was a banning offence. I apologize for being incorrect in that assumption. That is not lying, you idiot.

 

[rutabowa]

Using that phrase as part of reported speech is entirely different from using it as part of a drunken show of being rude and not giving a fuck.

Yes it would be entirely different wouldn't it? So if it did, for example, happen like that, by any chance, then it wouldn't be racist, would it?

No i'm not going to ask. i personally am satisfied enough, with the evidence of the grosvenor unbarring him + my own experience. I'm not going to be yours or anyone's skivvy. "an anonymous person on the internet said that someone else heard you say a racist word 5 months ago, is that true?" No i'm not asking that.

 

[gabi]

And please, wash your hands very, very hard. You're worse than the actual racist in your willingness to apologize for him.

 

[gabi]

Hugo boss designs some lovely shirts. Some of them black.

 

[bamalama]

post 583. it is ONLY speculation i stress.

You don't have to speculate though, you know the prick...@trevhagl had the wherewithal to ask his mate about allegations on the other thread,and his mate had the dignity to reply...says it all about you and your pals

 

[Lo Siento.]

If you are talking about me, then quote me anywhere I have said or implied any of those things. I'll give you £10 if you can. When you can't then please make it clear that you are not talking about me.

Not just you, but yes, you.

Well I've known most of them for a long time and that doesn't sound like them at all.

I'd love you to take me through the reasoning here, if it's not "I've known Bob for years, he's a lot of things but he's certainly not a racist/wife beater/rapist etc". As a shite retort to accusations of racism that one is up there with "some of my best friends..."
The point here is that your evaluation of their character means they can't possibly say racist things.

Same as you as I wasn't there. I trust my own eyes and ears and there is no way they are racist. I don't know what your version of events is as it's not very clear.