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Fat White Family & various offshoot bands (Moonlandingz, Insecure Men, Warmduscher, Pregoblin etc)

Nanker Phelge said:
They're too cool to care. Look at his missing tooth. He doesn't care. He's a rebel with identity and personal freedom.
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C’mon, let’s do it! White Riot. Stand Down Margaret. I’m a child of recession, I’ve got hate in my eyes. Ask for me tomorrow and I’ll be gone cause I’ve got a one-way ticket to oblivion and I’m going to raise hell getting there.

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Nanker Phelge said:
Possibly the most sensible statement on the entire thread.

We can all go home now and play our records in peace (or noise).
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No it wasn't. Rutabowa knows quite well that the problem many people have with the band is unrelated to the bands music.
 
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redsquirrel said:
No it wasn't. Rutabowa knows quite well that the problem many people have with the band is unrelated to the bands music.
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I've said all it is possible for me to say about an incident which I didn't witness (and nobody on this thread witnessed); which is very little. All I have done is provide extra information (eg mine and others personal knowledge of people in the band; and the fact that they are now actually hosting a night at the place where whatever it is happened). Then with the given information people can use their brains to draw their own conclusions.

What else are you asking me to do, exactly? I asked you that question by pm and you didn't reply. In fact I tried to engage with several people who expressed concern on this thread, with no reply, so I came to the conclusion people didn't actually care but were just on a wind up (as I got truxta and bamalama to explicitly admit, hence my no longer engaging with them.)
 
Firstly I did reply to your PM. As for what I want you to do then you could acknowledge the reason why a number of posters have some doubts about the band rather than just dismissing them like you have just done in the post above.
 
redsquirrel said:
Firstly I did reply to your PM. As for what I want you to do then you could acknowledge the reason why a number of posters have some doubts about the band rather than just dismissing them like you have just done in the post above.
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Check your in box. You replied once, then I replied again twice asking what you actually wanted me to do and you did not reply. This was a month ago.

Please quote where I have "dismissed the reasons why posters have doubts about the band". The fact I continued to reply after a storm of personal abuse shows I took it very seriously. A shame that some posters turned out just to be on a wind up. However in the end I wasn't there so that's that, no more I can say. You have all the info, you decide.
 
rutabowa said:
Check your in box. You replied once, then I replied again twice asking what you actually wanted me to do and you did not reply. This was a month ago.
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Sorry I thought that the conversation was at a natural end I didn't realise that you expected a reply.

rutabowa said:
Please quote where I have "dismissed the reasons why posters have doubts about the band". The fact I continued to reply after a storm of personal abuse shows I took it very seriously. A shame that some posters turned out just to be on a wind up. However in the end I wasn't there so that's that, no more I can say. You have all the info, you decide.
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You've just said that posters are only raising the issue of the alleged incidents because they are on a wide up. In what way is that not dismissing their concerns.

Also this isn't strictly true is it
rutabowa said:
I've said all it is possible for me to say about an incident which I didn't witness (and nobody on this thread witnessed); which is very little. All I have done is provide extra information (eg mine and others personal knowledge of people in the band; and the fact that they are now actually hosting a night at the place where whatever it is happened). Then with the given information people can use their brains to draw their own conclusions.
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You went further than that you called the allegations baseless.
 
redsquirrel said:
You've just said that posters are only raising the issue of the alleged incidents because they are on a wide up. In what way is that not dismissing their concerns.
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Please read my text carefully. I said "SOME posters". I'm replying to you aren't I? 2 posters at least have admitted there only aim now was "goading" me. Maybe they once had ia serious point but really after they admitted that then they don't deserve a single second of my time do they?
 
Regardless of their views on the literacy rates of black people, their music is just a bit, er, shit. Having watched that vid up thread anyway. Their live act must really be something to earn such devoted fans.
 
rutabowa said:
Please read my text carefully. I said "SOME posters". I'm replying to you aren't I? 2 posters at least have admitted there only aim now was "goading" me. Maybe they once had ia serious point but really after they admitted that then they don't deserve a single second of my time do they?
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You said "so I came to the conclusion people didn't actually care" which implies (to me anyway) more than simply two people.

You also made the same claim about BA
rutabowa said:
See I don't think you are being sincere. I think you are playing at arguing on a message board, so I have less respect for you really, tho you are very good at arguing on message boards.
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redsquirrel said:
You said "so I came to the conclusion people didn't actually care" which implies (to me anyway) more than simply two people.

You also made the same claim about BA
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Yea I thought that about him too. That was fairly plainly proved by his little meltdown on this thread I think (tho he didn't actually admit it, and who knows what he was trying to communicate, beyond incoherent abuse aimed at me). I did sincerely debate with all of them for around 12 pages tho which I think showed superhuman patience on my part. And continue to do so with you.
 
So, 126 posts in from the defence counsel and all he's managed to achieve is to take back his original claim that the charge of racist behaviour was baseless. Fantastic work.
 
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but seriously yes if the issue was that I once said "baseless" (i certainly did not say it originaly, it must have been in some post right in the middle of this thread that i can't find) then I totally take that back. I guess I was simply trying to communicate that they were second hand and hearsay, but it was the wrong word to use. "Unsubstantiated" was the one I was looking for.
 
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Don't worry I'm not expecting any apologies for the personal abuse aimed at me. I know you have that wall street "never apologise, never admit weakness" thing.
 
I haven't reread the thread but my impressions at the time (before it got all silly)...
  • FW bloke said something that (if he said it) was a load of old racist bollocks
  • Some people said 'oi that's a load of old racist bollocks'
  • rutabowa (and maybe ATOMIC SUPLEX) said 'no, they're not racist, you're talking bollocks'
  • Other people said 'but look, FW bloke said this and it's clearly racist'
  • rutabowa said 'but I kind of know him, they're great and he's not racist at all'
  • Other people said 'OK you know them and you say FW bloke's not racist but he said this thing that was racist'
  • rutabowa said repeatedly 'they're great and he's definitely not racist'
  • Other people said repeatedly 'but FW bloke said a racist thing'
  • rutabowa said repeatedly 'they're great and he's definitely not racist'
This last bit carried on for ages with lots of people acting the cunt along the way.

In between, some other FW person offered everyone out, said FW bloke isn't racist but still didn't explain the other FW bloke saying a racist thing. At one point I think the FW manager got involved. He said the same thing as rutabowa and other FW person: 'they're great and original FW bloke is definitely not racist'.

Still however, no explanation of why he said the racist thing.

Isn't that the bones of it?

I've got a lot of time for you rutabowa but I don't get why you've not seen what redsquirrel's getting at.
  • Did FW bloke say the racist thing?
  • If so, is he a racist or just a generalist cunt?
I think some frustration's come from the fact that you weren't there and we weren't there but you're saying 'they're ace and he's definitely not racist'. He did allegedly say a racist thing though.
 
Well that was a waste of a fucking post now you've withdrawn the 'he definitely didn't say it' bit :mad:
 
gabi said:
Having watched that vid up thread anyway. Their live act must really be something to earn such devoted fans.
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Seeing as you're so opinionated on the matter, maybe you should try actually watching them play live and grant yourself the position of being able to talk from a position that isn't wholly ignorant about their live shows?
 
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