Fat White Family & various offshoot bands (Moonlandingz, Insecure Men, Warmduscher, Pregoblin etc)

[killer b]

What! They haven't been addressed at all.

in fact, they've been avoided in the exact same blustering way my 6 year old does when she's caught bang to rights stealing biscuits or suchlike.

 

[Onket]

Someine has raised a valid point. Must be time for people to resort to petty insults and jibes about personal appearance.

 

[bamalama]

in fact, they've been avoided in the exact same blustering way my 6 year old does when she's caught bang to rights stealing biscuits or suchlike.

Covered it up, imo,with faux outrage, the worst kind of pr driven sycophancy,name calling,and lashings and lashings of ginger beer

 

[rutabowa]

Covered it up, imo,with faux outrage, the worst kind of pr driven sycophancy,name calling,and lashings and lashings of ginger beer

Would you seriously like me to go through the his thread and pick out examples of "name calling"?

 

[TruXta]

Would you seriously like me to go through the his thread and pick out examples of "name calling"?

You mean, stuff like calling other posters jealous and fat?

 

[Nanker Phelge]

and old

 

[TruXta]

and old

That's what really rankles.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

That's what really rankles.

wrinkles

 

[TruXta]

You fucker.

 

[bamalama]

Would you seriously like me to go through the his thread and pick out examples of "name calling"?

Aye,that's a sound idea if you've the time.Should bring the thread back to where it should be...

 

[ska invita]

starting with Saul?

 

[dsdsds]

Fat white family playing at the Grosvenor next week.

Glad to see bygones be bygones.

 

[rutabowa]

Fat white family playing at the Grosvenor next week.

Glad to see bygones be bygones.

They're hosting the night there aren't they, I believe?

 

[bamalama]

They're hosting the night there aren't they, I believe?

How's those examples of "name calling" comin along ruts,or is the elephant too big for your car?

 

[el-ahrairah]

without wanting to take sides, i would like to point out that the poster criticising FWF for being derivative is also posting a lot of fanboi stuff on a thread about oi! an oi fan complaining about derivative music is perhaps the most facepalm thing i've seen in ages

 

[rutabowa]

without wanting to take sides, i would like to point out that the poster criticising FWF for being derivative is also posting a lot of fanboi stuff on a thread about oi! an oi fan complaining about derivative music is perhaps the most facepalm thing i've seen in ages

Ahhh I see. That does explain a lot. Yes this band is probably not for big Oi fans, definitely not everyone's "cup of tea" as they say.... it would be terrible in a world where everyone liked the same music eh!!

 

[bamalama]

What explains what exactly?
What's your explanation for this...

I have said it twice. He said "only niggers can't read". And other random crap, but that is a direct quote.

eta: not at a particular person, just a random statement

...beyond bluff and bluster,and vague statements of conclusion ?

 

[bamalama]

Or this...

"
[A writer] emailed me offering to do this interview. He said he loved your music but you were essentially a bunch of shits.
Lias: [He] said that? I’ve known him for years. For fuck’s sake.
Is he telling the truth? Are you a bunch of shits?
Saul: Yeah, he’s telling the truth. We are."

looks like lots of people think they're shits, including their own friends.

i briefly chatted to some of them. they seemed like self-entitled middle class kids who thought that the world was all about them. but, you know, i did tell them how awesome the gig was first, so i have to blame myself for some of that. by all accounts 'they' basically treat the world as their own litter box, have no respect for people, property, or propriety, and are damn talented. that's a combination for being totally marmite!

Ironic given el-ahrairahs' failure to understand the concept of fanboyism,in the context of this thread

 

[bamalama]

I-R-O-N-Y

 

[andysays]

without wanting to take sides, i would like to point out that the poster criticising FWF for being derivative is also posting a lot of fanboi stuff on a thread about oi! an oi fan complaining about derivative music is perhaps the most facepalm thing i've seen in ages

Hmm, bamalama may also have criticised FWF for being derivative at some point (I'm not going to plough back through the whole fucking thread), but it was me who did it most recently

Christ, is this bun fight still lurching on?

I know this comment wasn't about FWF, but if only they had the imagination to sound like a jellyfish slapping a salmon, perhaps they wouldn't make such dreary and derivative "music" as they now do.

Having heard their session with Mark Riley on 6Music in the week, I'm actually confused as to why anyone can find them in the slightest bit "edgy". Tedious wannabe indie bollocks.

But apparently it's OK to be derivative

Well all music is derivative to some extent these days. As soon as you get old enough to have explored rock and roll with any degree of involved interest, you'll hear classic game-changing pioneering songs or bands present in any new band. One of the standard ways to talk about a new band is to say "They're like...".

[blah, blah, blah, more fawning bollocks]

and accusations of being derivative are not to be trusted, not when they're about a band we're determined to wank over anyway

Good post (obviously ha). Imo anyone who bangs on about a band being "derivative" shows a fundamental misunderstanding of rock and roll, and so their opinion should not be trusted.

And for what it's worth, I haven't listened to anything that could be described as Oi for about 30 years (shit the first time round, IMO) and would imagine that anything currently under that banner was, by definition, derivative, though if the FWF fans are to maintain their critical coherence they certainly can't attack Oi on those grounds...

 

[rutabowa]

Hmm, bamalama may also have criticised FWF for being derivative at some point (I'm not going to plough back through the whole fucking thread), but it was me who did it most recently



But apparently it's OK to be derivative



and accusations of being derivative are not to be trusted, not when they're about a band we're determined to wank over anyway



And for what it's worth, I haven't listened to anything that could be described as Oi for about 30 years (shit the first time round, IMO) and would imagine that anything currently under that banner was, by definition, derivative, though if the FWF fans are to maintain their critical coherence they certainly can't attack Oi on those grounds...

I like oi personally. It would be pretty dumb to attack a whole genre of music imo... also dumb trying to convince someone to like music they don't like, and maybe dumbest of all to try to convince someone to NOT like music they DO like! Your view is equally as valid as mine, I really do not mind people not liking a band I like,

 

[bamalama]

Aye i did call 'em derivative,and they are...The point is the fanboys here while completely ignoring the issue of stunts and ironic racism are trying to present them as the best thing since sliced bread.
I'd say they are at best very average wannabes,middle class boys whose music/image doesn't cut it outside of their harry potter fan scene.So they have to pretend to be something else,there's no depth or realism there,just bad plagiarism and the same old licks in the same old packaging...we raawk ,you consume, cos we are the artistes maan.
The point about heavily derivative bands,or even genres,is that the good ones bring something new to the table.This lot don't, it's the same old tired studenty,the world owes us a livin pap.Works ok in its own wee bubble,the real world's a different place though... free gigs in sheffield...class war... ironic racism... nazi salutes...the children off yuppies telling yuppies to get out...stunts and stuff...

 

[andysays]

I like oi personally. It would be pretty dumb to attack a whole genre of music imo... also dumb trying to convince someone to like music they don't like, and maybe dumbest of all to try to convince someone to NOT like music they DO like! Your view is equally as valid as mine, I really do not mind people not liking a band I like,

Well, you seem to have changed your tune...

 

[Nanker Phelge]

and maybe dumbest of all to try to convince someone to NOT like music they DO like!

Possibly the most sensible statement on the entire thread.

We can all go home now and play our records in peace (or noise).

 

[bamalama]

I like oi personally. It would be pretty dumb to attack a whole genre of music imo... also dumb trying to convince someone to like music they don't like, and maybe dumbest of all to try to convince someone to NOT like music they DO like! Your view is equally as valid as mine, I really do not mind people not liking a band I like,

That elephant's still there,no matter how much you're determined to ignore it

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Aye i did call 'em derivative,and they are...The point is the fanboys here while completely ignoring the issue of stunts and ironic racism are trying to present them as the best thing since sliced bread.
I'd say they are at best very average wannabes,middle class boys whose music/image doesn't cut it outside of their harry potter fan scene.So they have to pretend to be something else,there's no depth or realism there,just bad plagiarism and the same old licks in the same old packaging...we raawk ,you consume, cos we are the artistes maan.
The point about heavily derivative bands,or even genres,is that the good ones bring something new to the table.This lot don't, it's the same old tired studenty,the world owes us a livin pap.Works ok in its own wee bubble,the real world's a different place though... free gigs in sheffield...class war... ironic racism... nazi salutes...the children off yuppies telling yuppies to get out...stunts and stuff...

They're confused. Being young is a trying time.

When they finally get their quantity surveyors qualification and settle down then life will make more sense to them. They'll be coherent.

A good wage and a roof over your head works wonders for your peace of mind.

 

[rutabowa]

Well, you seem to have changed your tune...

Nope. Go through the thread (if you want to lose the will to live).

 

[bamalama]

Completely disingenuous,the thread was dead pages ago if it wasn't for your break neck fanboyism and the other fanboys spammin,you love it really don't ye ?

 

[bamalama]

They're confused. Being young is a trying time.

When they finally get their quantity surveyors qualification and settle down then life will make more sense to them. They'll be coherent.

A good wage and a roof over your head works wonders for your peace of mind.

They don't look that young to me,and if this is the worst bit of slaggin their plain white pan loaf of a band ever has to take they'll get over it,might even help to wise 'em up a wee bit..doubt it though

 

[Nanker Phelge]

They don't look that young to me,and if this is the worst bit of slaggin their plain white pan loaf of a band ever has to take they'll get over it,might even help to wise 'em up a wee bit..doubt it though

They're too cool to care. Look at his missing tooth. He doesn't care. He's a rebel with identity and personal freedom.