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Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.

Pickman's model said:
I'm not building a strawman at all. I just pointed out to teuchter (post 2250) that w/out drivers the NHS wouldn't function. And it wouldn't. I'm not claiming he's arguing anything he isn't, I'm not claiming you're arguing anything you're not.
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I haven't seen any of the anti private car lobby on this thread argue that the NHS could operate without motor vehicles (and the drivers who drive them) now or in the near future. I know the phrase strawman is largely used incorrectly on these boards but your last couple of posts are literally 'an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's actual argument'.
 
maomao said:
I haven't seen any of the anti private car lobby on this thread argue that the NHS could operate without motor vehicles (and the drivers who drive them) now or in the near future. I know the phrase strawman is largely used incorrectly on these boards but your last couple of posts are literally 'an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's actual argument'.
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I haven't misrepresented anyone's argument

I haven't misrepresented anyone's proposition.

But enjoy your evening, and your thread. Should have known better than to intrude one of teuchters hobby horse threads
 
mauvais said:
I've had it on good authority that this is Saul Goodman in his green Lambo and badly mounted GoPro driving on the wrong side of the road and racing the police that he has presumably paid to turn a blind eye.

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That's on the Isle of Man - which has no speed limits outside towns and villages all the time - it looks like during TT week/fortnight when side roads are closed off effectively making the main road a large race track...
 
maomao said:
So are you arguing with thin air then? Because your post #2269 makes no sense otherwise. Unless you're claiming that it's because you're stupid or drunk or something.
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I'm returning to my initial point that the NHS would grind to a halt w/o drivers. And so it would. Maybe not without car drivers. But for years there's been a sorry litany of stories about nurses and doctors having to pay parking charges at some hospital eg this from last year Hospitals shun guidance to offer staff free parking 'for the duration of the pandemic' until there's safe affordable public transport connecting hospitals to transport hubs through the night you'll get people needing to drive there
 
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Pickman's model said:
I'm returning to my initial point that the NHS would grind to a halt w/o drivers. And so it would. Maybe not without car drivers. But for years there's been a sorry litany of stories about nurses and doctors having to pay parking charges at some hospital eg this from last year Hospitals shun guidance to offer staff free parking 'for the duration of the pandemic' until there's safe affordable public transport connecting hospitals to transport hubs through the night you'll get people needing to drive there
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Instead of demanding that paid staff who can afford a car get free parking, why not crank up the parking fee and use the revenue gained to subsidise travel fares for those staff members who aren't able to drive or can't afford to own a car?
 
teuchter said:
Instead of demanding that paid staff who can afford a car get free parking, why not crank up the parking fee and use the revenue gained to subsidise travel fares for those staff members who aren't able to drive or can't afford to own a car?
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It comes as no surprise that you want to punish our brave frontline workers.
 
A380 said:
That's on the Isle of Man - which has no speed limits outside towns and villages all the time - it looks like during TT week/fortnight when side roads are closed off effectively making the main road a large race track...
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Was 100% legal. The UK should take note of the way the Isle of Man handles such things, seems to work well. Much lower tax rate too leaves more money for dog's bollocks motors.
 
teuchter said:
Instead of demanding that paid staff who can afford a car get free parking, why not crank up the parking fee and use the revenue gained to subsidise travel fares for those staff members who aren't able to drive or can't afford to own a car?
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You know full well that the primary affect of such a policy would be to penalise staff who don’t live on public transport routes, forcing the lower paid such staff effectively below minimum wage. And no, increased parking fees won’t be sufficient to lay on buses for everyone.
 
Does anyone think there's the remotest chance of speed limits being enforced with black boxes? Or of insurance becoming unaffordable for those who don't have a black box and abide by the rules?
 
Pickman's model said:
I'm returning to my initial point that the NHS would grind to a halt w/o drivers. And so it would. Maybe not without car drivers. But for years there's been a sorry litany of stories about nurses and doctors having to pay parking charges at some hospital eg this from last year Hospitals shun guidance to offer staff free parking 'for the duration of the pandemic' until there's safe affordable public transport connecting hospitals to transport hubs through the night you'll get people needing to drive there
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For the past 12 months I have been an NHS volunteer, nothing happened the first four or five months, then the alarm went off a couple of times a day, each time asking to take a recovering Covid patient home from hospital or deliver food/medicine (non-prescription) to people in need. So yeah, car drivers, scum.
 
Pickman's model said:
I'm returning to my initial point that the NHS would grind to a halt w/o drivers. And so it would. Maybe not without car drivers. But for years there's been a sorry litany of stories about nurses and doctors having to pay parking charges at some hospital eg this from last year Hospitals shun guidance to offer staff free parking 'for the duration of the pandemic' until there's safe affordable public transport connecting hospitals to transport hubs through the night you'll get people needing to drive there
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Yes, a whole solution is needed; not banning cars alone. Other forms of transport need to be made better and more attractive as motoring is phased out. People who live in particularly remote locations may even need to drive to a transport hub. Provisions will be needed for the disabled. I don't personally see it happening without other major changes to the distribution of wealth in society but that's sort of the whole point.
 
maomao said:
I don't personally see it happening without other major changes to the distribution of wealth in society but that's sort of the whole point.
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You mean until the lowest paid nurses have had every penny taken from them in parking fees to pay for your free/subsidised travel? Or is it just teuchter that wants that?
 
Saul Goodman said:
You mean until the lowest paid nurses have had every penny taken from them in parking fees to pay for your free/subsidised travel? Or is it just teuchter that wants that?
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I'm not keen on solutions that allow rich people to do what they like by paying extra. Just ban the fucking lot and tax the rich till they squeak to pay for air conditioned luxury public transport and swish bicycles for all.
 
maomao said:
Yes, a whole solution is needed; not banning cars alone. Other forms of transport need to be made better and more attractive as motoring is phased out. People who live in particularly remote locations may even need to drive to a transport hub. Provisions will be needed for the disabled. I don't personally see it happening without other major changes to the distribution of wealth in society but that's sort of the whole point.
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None of these people seem able to comprehend the phasing out of private motorised transport as a necessary part of a larger picture. They can only do short-termist reactionary responses focussed on their own narrow self interests. Typical conservatives.
 
maomao said:
I'm not keen on solutions that allow rich people to do what they like by paying extra. Just ban the fucking lot and tax the rich till they squeak to pay for air conditioned luxury public transport and swish bicycles for all.
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How about just taxing fuck out of the rich and spending some of it on decent public transport, for those that want it?
Your one-size-fits-all solution will never fit all. Granted, it might work in cities, but not everyone lives in a city, and providing a viable public transport system for those who choose not to live in a stinking shithole of a city would be all but impossible, although if you can think of a way for my mother to get my father to the doctor/hospital at a moment's notice, I'm all ears?
 
Saul Goodman said:
How about just taxing fuck out of the rich and spending some of it on decent public transport, for those that want it?
Your one-size-fits-all solution will never fit all. Granted, it might work in cities, but not everyone lives in a city, and providing a viable public transport system for those who choose not to live in a stinking shithole of a city would be all but impossible, although if you can think of a way for my mother to get my father to the doctor/hospital at a moment's notice, I'm all ears?
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I just said I'm okay with cars in some rural areas long as there are controls to make sure the privilege isn't abused for money.

And a properly funded ambulance service for getting people to hospital. My boy has to be in hospital within an hour if his temperature hits 38 degrees. We just stick him in a buggy and run but the current patient transport system should be brought back into the NHS and expanded. Even the current fleet would get twice as much done and faster without the roads choked up.
 
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