Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.

[Spymaster]

You drew the line at birching; you surprise me, or is that just for cyclists?

No, it would have just been for cunts. It just so happens that cyclists are heavily over-represented in that particular group.

 

[MickiQ]

I once left the roof down outside a pub in Bristol, and got back to find traffic cones sat on each seat.

I thought it was hilarious, tbf.

I took a group of mates to a pub on the Snake Pass in Derbyshire where we met up with some others who were bikers, the bikers left their helmets in my car. From the window we could people walking past and doing a double take at the sight of crash helmets in a car and obviously wondering what sort of driver owned that car.

 

[deeyo]

I took a group of mates to a pub on the Snake Pass in Derbyshire where we met up with some others who were bikers, the bikers left their helmets in my car. From the window we could people walking past and doing a double take at the sight of crash helmets in a car and obviously wondering what sort of driver owned that car.

nothing wrong with car helmets.



safety first.

then style.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

“But we need vans to move lots of stuff”

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

“...yeah, but what if it was really big, you know, on a pallet”

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

“Ambulances though...”

 

[T & P]

Excellent! Do you have that chap's number? I've been busy buying stuff online recently, and I need delivery of my new four-piece sofa, double-door American fridge-freezer, 10 garden fence panels, and a full size wardrobe. And on the last trip he can hopefully take away approximately half a ton of building rubble from the garden. Won't be a problem for him, will it?

The bike ambulance chaps will also be very handy in helping my high-dependency care aunt between hospitals for her regular appointments. Hopefully it won't be a rainy day, as she hates getting her hair wet.

 

[maomao]

Excellent! Do you have that chap's number? I've been busy buying stuff online recently, and I need delivery of my new four-piece sofa, double-door American fridge-freezer, 10 garden fence panels, and a full size wardrobe. And on the last trip he can hopefully take away approximately half a ton of building rubble from the garden. Won't be a problem for him, will it?

The bike ambulance chaps will also be very handy in helping my high-dependency care aunt between hospitals for her regular appointments. Hopefully it won't be a rainy day, as she hates getting her hair wet.

Yes that's right: we shouldn't use bikes for anything because we can't use them for everything.

I

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Excellent! Do you have that chap's number? I've been busy buying stuff online recently, and I need delivery of my new four-piece sofa, double-door American fridge-freezer, 10 garden fence panels, and a full size wardrobe. And on the last trip he can hopefully take away approximately half a ton of building rubble from the garden. Won't be a problem for him, will it?

The bike ambulance chaps will also be very handy in helping my high-dependency care aunt between hospitals for her regular appointments. Hopefully it won't be a rainy day, as she hates getting her hair wet.

Literally every item you’ve just described could be carried by PedalMe, with the slight limitation on your garden crap, as they have a mere 300kg maximum weight limit.

As for the ambulance, it’s almost as if switching response to bike based paramedics when suitable would create yet more space on the roads for those who need it, isn’t it?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Also:

 

[maomao]

As for the ambulance, it’s almost as if switching response to bike based paramedics when suitable would create yet more space on the roads for those who need it, isn’t it?

Indeed. My son doesn't have much choice about coming home from the hospital in ambulance/patient transport but it took nearly two hours yesterday because the roads were packed.

 

[Spymaster]

Also:

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Cyclist kidnaps disabled pensioner

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Cyclist kidnaps disabled pensioner

 

[Saul Goodman]

“But we need vans to move lots of stuff”

Great parking, and on double yellow lines. Quelle surprise!

 

[T & P]

Yes that's right: we shouldn't use bikes for anything because we can't use them for everything.

I

That's not what I said at all, and if you care to look you will see that I have liked and supported on this very thread initiatives to replace vehicle deliveries whenever possible with bike ones.

However beesonthewhatnow 's post appeared to suggest the overwhelming majority of van deliveries and jobs can be replaced by bike ones. That is simply nowhere near feasible. The one about the crate is particularly misleading and a tad ridiculous. Twenty bikes linked together operated by twenty Lance Armstrongs on extra steroids couldn't move an inch your average pile of heavy building materials mounted on a crate. Let alone just one bloke and his merry bike carrying it, say, eight miles from a builder's yard to its destination.

I'll repeat: I support replacing van deliveries with bike ones whenever possible, but there are hundreds of thousands of van movements per week carrying loads that can never in a million years be replaced by a bloke and his bike. Surely that should be obvious?

 

[T & P]

If I'm ever knocked down on the street by a cyclist jumping a traffic lights and need emergency assistance, can I please have fast response paramedics arriving by car or motorcycle? Because there's no fucking way either than an emergency blue-lights-flashing paramedic on a car, let alone a motorbike, is not going to be significantly faster than a bicycle even in the most gridlocked conditions imaginable.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

That's not what I said at all, and if you care to look you will see that I have liked and supported on this very thread initiatives to replace vehicle deliveries whenever possible with bike ones.

However beesonthewhatnow 's post appeared to suggest the overwhelming majority of van deliveries and jobs can be replaced by bike ones. That is simply nowhere near feasible. The one about the crate is particularly misleading and a tad ridiculous. Twenty bikes linked together operated by twenty Lance Armstrongs on extra steroids couldn't move an inch your average pile of heavy building materials mounted on a crate. Let alone just one bloke and his merry bike carrying it, say, eight miles from a builder's yard to its destination.

I'll repeat: I support replacing van deliveries with bike ones whenever possible, but there are hundreds of thousands of van movements per week carrying loads that can never in a million years be replaced by a bloke and his bike. Surely that should be obvious?

I think you need to learn what an eCargobike is.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

If I'm ever knocked down on the street by a cyclist jumping a traffic lights and need emergency assistance, can I please have fast response paramedics arriving by car or motorcycle? Because there's no fucking way either than an emergency blue-lights-flashing paramedic on a car, let alone a motorbike, is not going to be significantly faster than a bicycle even in the most gridlocked conditions imaginable.

You’re also wrong here. Why do you think LAS uses them?

 

[maomao]

If I'm ever knocked down on the street by a cyclist jumping a traffic lights and need emergency assistance, can I please have fast response paramedics arriving by car or motorcycle? Because there's no fucking way either than an emergency blue-lights-flashing paramedic on a car, let alone a motorbike, is not going to be significantly faster than a bicycle even in the most gridlocked conditions imaginable.

Good pushbike couriers are the fastest vehicles available in central London. And flashing lights are all very well if there's space for people to move out of your way.

 

[teuchter]

That's not what I said at all,

Yeah it is pretty much, just another variation on "if you want to remove certain kinds of car journeys then you'd better have never at any point in your life gone within 100m of, or directly looked at, any form of motor vehicle otherwise you are a dreadful hypocrite and worse than Hitler" which is what you've spent most of this thread typing out multiple times.

 

[maomao]

Yeah it is pretty much, just another variation on "if you want to remove certain kinds of car journeys then you'd better have never at any point in your life gone within 100m of, or directly looked at, any form of motor vehicle otherwise you are a dreadful hypocrite and worse than Hitler" which is what you've spent most of this thread typing out multiple times.

Still no sign of him condemning the behaviour of certain motorcyclists in this thread either.

 

[teuchter]

Still no sign of him condemning the behaviour of certain motorcyclists in this thread either.

I'm very confident that anyone reading this thread can see that on one side of the argument are great ideals not untempered with an appropriate pragmatism, and on the other what can only be described as an utterly disgraceful moral vacuum.

 

[Saul Goodman]

If I'm ever knocked down on the street by a cyclist jumping a traffic lights and need emergency assistance, can I please have fast response paramedics arriving by car or motorcycle? Because there's no fucking way either than an emergency blue-lights-flashing paramedic on a car, let alone a motorbike, is not going to be significantly faster than a bicycle even in the most gridlocked conditions imaginable.

At least if you're collected by a cyclist you can rest assured they won't be stopping for red lights.

 

[platinumsage]

I'm very confident that anyone reading this thread can see that on one side of the argument are great ideals not untempered with an appropriate pragmatism, and on the other what can only be described as an utterly disgraceful moral vacuum.

Do you mean the freedom to own a car and drive anywhere being pragmatically tempered by taxes and restrictions vs making it illegal to own or operate a private vehicle regardless of personal need, even if this means cleansing anywhere outside big cities of human habitation?

 

[T & P]

Still no sign of him condemning the behaviour of certain motorcyclists in this thread either.

I said I would do that right after you did likewise about the cyclists shown in the video Spymaster posted a couple of days ago. Still waiting.

 

[T & P]

At least if you're collected by a cyclist you can rest assured they won't be stopping for red lights.

 

[maomao]

I said I would do that right after you did likewise about the cyclists shown in the video Spymaster posted a couple of days ago. Still waiting.

I think you're unwillingness to condemn or comment is revealing enough in itself. I don't actually need you to answer the question to prove my point. So why would I go watch a boring ten minute video?

 

[T & P]

I'm very confident that anyone reading this thread can see that on one side of the argument are great ideals not untempered with an appropriate pragmatism, and on the other what can only be described as an utterly disgraceful moral vacuum.

Like the disgraceful moral vacuum displayed by those who froth at the mouth at the very suggestion that cyclists or pedestrians should also be subject to legislation to ensure their safety and that of others around them?

My recent suggestion that in 20 mph zones it would be perfectly reasonable to demand such speed limit is imposed on cyclists as well as greeted with a resounding "FUCK OFF!". What reason could anyone possibly have for opposing the idea of a speed limit on cyclists in some circumstances and areas if not utter selfishness?

 

[T & P]

I think you're unwillingness to condemn or comment is revealing enough in itself. I don't actually need you to answer the question to prove my point. So why would I go watch a boring ten minute video?

I think your unwillingness to even lightly criticise the behaviour any cyclists shown on various videos doing various actions that are undisputably wrong is telling enough and clear for all to see.

What's the holdup? I say I would if you will. Can't say fairer than that.

 

[maomao]

My recent suggestion that in 20 mph zones it would be perfectly reasonable to demand such speed limit is imposed on cyclists as well as greeted with a resounding "FUCK OFF!". What reason could anyone possibly have for opposing the idea of a speed limit on cyclists in some circumstances and areas if not utter selfishness?

It was probably a cumulative reaction to your humourless whining than an answer to that point in particular tbf