weltweit
Well-Known Member
When I was but a motorbiking youth a chef friend bought a V12 Jaguar XJS. It was a lovely thing but very unreliable and expensive to fix
Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Dick size thread is thataway ------->
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
On the scale of current ones, yes. But when placed into the context of the other measures I outlined they would be part of an overall solution.
The aim isn’t to get rid of cars entirely. Merely to get their use down to an absolute minimum.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Paint tins can fall over and the lid might come off. Even water based paint is banned from buses here. Not because it's inflammable but because if it does fall over and open it makes a right mess.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Not sure how building loads of new large car parks with special buses designed to serve car owners contributes to a strategy of reducing car use to a minimum.
Looking at the rest of your strategy, it needs some measure enabling people to get to their nearest bus stop, not an encouragment to ignore that and drive to the city.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Obviously not.
Rechargable. Clue's in the name. There is embodied energy in an e-bike yes, but if it results in petrol not getting burnt and new cars with vastly more embodied energy not being made then it's a net win.
Although I'm far from convinced that hybrid cars represent a significant net gain relative to efficient petrol-only cars once battery production and longevity is taken into account. But batteries in electric and hybrid cars are an order of magnitude larger than those in ebikes as they have to shift more weight at higher speeds over greater distances and they don't get any help from pedals.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
No. Its better to have the alternatives in place first.
maomao
普費斯
Arriva say fine as long as it's a sealed tin in a bag. Stagecoach have a 5 litre limit on tin size no limit on tins. First have a three litre limit on tin size no limit on tins. That's the three biggest bus companies in the country. And that's if the driver even notices or can be arsed.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
A lot of the anti-car posts in this thread seem motivated by envy that car owners have freedoms non car owners don't have. While I get that that isn't fair, the way to resolve this inequity isn't to remove cars from car owners leaving everyone at the mercy of dirty and unhelpful buses, rather it could be to make car use more easy to access with sharing, easy hire etc services for people for whom buses will never suffice.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
If you make a mess of your own car that's your problem and it's only you that is likely to get covered in paint sorting it out. If paint spills in a bus the passengers could get covered in it traipsing through it, or slip on it and then sue the bus company. The bus needs taking out of service to be cleaned.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I am free not to spend half my income on a car loan, insurance, fuel, road tax etc and I can go wherever I like on my £50 bike.
maomao
普費斯
Where's 'here'? Are all your bus services run by one company? What company?
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Chesterfield. One bus company - stagecoach.
souljacker
innit
Only if the places you like are reasonably close. What if you 'like' France?
maomao
普費斯
Stagecoach's conditions of carriage:
You're talking out your arse again. You are able to carry paint.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Then I would be able to find psychiatric assistance within easy cycling distance.
But seriously, well done for picking an example of a place you can't get to in a car without switching to another transport modality on account of your vehicle's woeful lack of buoyancy.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Unfortunately nowadays if you're after a twin turbo V12 you're looking at the likes of Astons and Ferraris. There are a few more V8s with the AMG Gt probably my pick of the bunch.
souljacker
innit
I only mentioned France because I don't know where you live. I could have said Cornwall but you might already live there. So let me rephrase. What if the place you 'like' is 250 miles away?
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
The AMG GT is a good road car but has fuck all grip once it gets into boost.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
What would be your pick of the twin turbo V8s?
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
Personalised transport is the way forward
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
They've got these big long, train-shaped things nowadays. They call them 'trains'. They'd be marvellous if they hadn't been run down for decades to prop up the car industry.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I have never had a car loan. My first car cost £400 my second car cost perhaps £500. At the moment my current car is valued at £1,000 .. car ownership doesn't have to be expensive.
My insurance is £230 pa. The most expensive cars I ever had were company cars, the company paid for those and the mileage was approximately 1,000 miles a week.
As to going wherever you want, my vehicles (including motorcycles) have taken me all around the UK, to France frequently, to Germany Netherlands, Austria, Spain etc etc ..
If it was cheaper to go by train I would consider it for weekends away, but generally when I have enquired about train tickets it has been cheaper to drive (even if it is only the driver in the car, for 3 or 4 people cars are way cheaper than train tickets). That just seems wrong no?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Because the rail network was actively sabotaged to encourage car use.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Sounds like your paper round's not paying too well, Francis.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Go on then, explain, with evidence?
souljacker
innit
So when you said you could go anywhere you like on your bike, you forgot to mention that you'd also take a train. I can walk anywhere I want in the world by walking to my car, driving to heathrow, flying there and walking off the plane.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Most of the places I want to go on any kind of regular basis are within 20 miles of my house. If that were not the case I would move, and not simply spend three hours a day in a car like an idiot.
