Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.

[Saul Goodman]

Some day I'll get round to doing a thread where I argue against the NHS or social housing using the same arguments people use against eliminating car dependency on these threads.

Oh well it's fine for you to sit there in your secure affordable housing telling the rest of us we should have the same, you housing Nazi.

Off you pop. I'll join in.

 

[Wolveryeti]

Don't ban cars. Incentivise people to rideshare.

 

[Saul Goodman]

We're not envious

 

[maomao]

Funny that. I know loads of people round here who have been refused travel because they were carrying paint.

Or more likely you're just talking out your arse.

 

[souljacker]

The words of a deluded snob.

What's to envy in paying double for a journey that takes twice as long and would leave me paying and displaying in a car-park much further from my destination than the nearest bus stop or station?

In most situations I find myself in, cars are cheaper and quicker even with the cost of parking and maintenance.

 

[Orang Utan]

You just cannot imagine that some of us really just have no desire to be in a car, buy a car or drive a car. Envy is wanting what other people have.

 

[tim]

Don't ban cars. Incentivise people to rideshare.

Exactly, rideshare in nice long 30- 50 seater single and double decked cars.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Funny that. I know loads of people round here who have been refused travel because they were carrying paint.

Exactly. As always it is up to the driver whether you get let on or not. Roll up with tins of paint and it is nearly always a not.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

You just cannot imagine that some of us really just have no desire to be in a car, buy a car or drive a car. Envy is wanting what other people have.

Sounds like you’re jealous of others’ envy.

 

[Orang Utan]

Sounds like you’re jealous of others’ envy.

look it up

 

[WouldBe]

In most situations I find myself in, cars are cheaper and quicker even with the cost of parking and maintenance.

Cars don't have to stop at every bus stop or train station.

 

[maomao]

Absolutely.
Have fun dodging the coronavirus on a bus, while I'm sat in a nice, air-conditioned car.

Except you're not driving anywhere because you're rarely sober enough.

Exactly. As always it is up to the driver whether you get let on or not. Roll up with tins of paint and it is nearly always a not.

You don't even get fucking buses. I not only get buses regularly, I've carried paint on them loads of times and have shown that most bus companies allow you to. Drivers aren't allowed to chuck people off willy nilly. My mate even got kicked off the buses for not letting a Chelsea pensioner on without a bus pass.

On top of which who are all these people getting kicked off for getting on buses with paint when it's appaesell known that you can't? You're just being a contrary twat cause you're bored. Go sing Rule Britannia on your doorstep with the other knob ends.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Except you're not driving anywhere because you're rarely sober enough.

You don't even get fucking buses. I not only get buses regularly, I've carried paint on them loads of times and have shown that most bus companies allow you to. Drivers aren't allowed to chuck people off willy nilly. My mate even got kicked off the buses for not letting a Chelsea pensioner on without a bus pass.

On top of which who are all these people getting kicked off for getting on buses with paint when it's appaesell known that you can't? You're just being a contrary twat cause you're bored. Go sing Rule Britannia on your doorstep with the other knob ends.

I used to get buses a lot, but since being priced out of London by gentrifiers like teuchter I now live in an area with almost none.
And as you are fully aware, paint is not permitted on TfL buses, you’re just desperately searching around other parts of the country to back up your non-argument.
So why don’t you go out on the street and sing It’s a Great Life on the Buses, Blakey?
I’m busy washing my car this afternoon.

 

[maomao]

And as you are fully aware, paint is not permitted on TfL buses,

Paint isn't mentioned in any tfl terms of carriage and the only comment from any tfl account on Twitter about it says the opposite. You could at least have looked first.

 

[platinumsage]

Why are people talking about paint? Who is advocating buses as a preferred method of obtaining DIY supplies?

 

[Saul Goodman]

Except you're not driving anywhere because you're rarely sober enough.

Driving is much more fun pissed.

 

[Wolveryeti]

Exactly, rideshare in nice long 30- 50 seater single and double decked cars.

If we are agreed on the ridesharing bit, why fixate on the size of vehicle? For some regions 30-50 will be optimal. For other (usually much more rural) areas it will be much less than that...

 

[Saul Goodman]

You just cannot imagine that some of us really just have no desire to be in a car, buy a car or drive a car. Envy is wanting what other people have.

Oh I absolutely can imagine that being the case for some people. I just can't imagine that's the case with you.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

The "envy" argument is such shit

I could go out tomorrow and buy pretty much any car I wanted. Not owning one is a positive choice I've made. I much prefer riding my bike.

 

[Sasaferrato]

The words of a deluded snob.

What's to envy in paying double for a journey that takes twice as long and would leave me paying and displaying in a car-park much further from my destination than the nearest bus stop or station? And are fume spewing asthma inducing drivers really in a position to feel superior to passengers on the those dirty unhelpful buses? You lot are just jealous because we can have a snooze on the way to work without murdering and maiming pensioners and primary school children with a vulgar status symbol.

I suggest that you have a wee look at bus emissions per passenger mile.

http://www.aef.org.uk/downloads/Grams_CO2_transportmodesUK.pdf

A small car with two people in is less polluting than a coach.

We have a car, which is used as required. We are both over 65, and my respiratory health could be better, I've effectively got one lung. I drive to the park and ride, and use busses from there. A bus into Edinburgh takes over an hour for the nine miles. The drive to the park and ride on the outskirts of the city take ten minutes. As it happens, I have documentary proof of my car usage.

The 17/18 distance includes a three week trip down to Mestre (Venice) and back.

 

[Saul Goodman]

The "envy" argument is such shit

I could go out tomorrow and buy pretty much any car I wanted. Not owning one is a positive choice I've made. I much prefer riding my bike.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule.

 

[Orang Utan]

If money was no object, I might get into motorcycling, but have never been interested in cars. I don't know why people find that hard to understand.

 

[Sasaferrato]

We're not envious - we just not interested in driving and wasting huge amounts of money on cars and driving

If we lived in London, we wouldn't have a car.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I love cars. The engineering, the performance, the thrill of driving. I've driven all sorts over the years and at some point will still get round to buying a Caterham 7 for having fun at weekends.

But that's all they should be now really, toys, used for occasional fun, preferably on a closed track. As a mass transportation device they're done. There are better ways of us doing things. It just requires people to let go a bit.

 

[Orang Utan]

If we lived in London, we wouldn't have a car.

what about other cities? I live in Leeds. It has shite and expensive public transport, and I'm not ever getting on a bus again anyway

 

[Saul Goodman]

As a mass transportation device they're done.

I'd have a small wager on that. When do you think it's going to happen?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Not sure how building loads of new large car parks with special buses designed to serve car owners contributes to a strategy of reducing car use to a minimum.

Looking at the rest of your strategy, it needs some measure enabling people to get to their nearest bus stop, not an encouragment to ignore that and drive to the city.

Because you're not going to change everything overnight in one go. Offering people a relatively cheaply introduced compromise that gets cars out of a city centre is a first step. It's a lot easier to build a few carparks in key locations than it is to fix a nations crappy public transport network. Once you've fixed the latter you can hopefully start phasing out the former.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I'd have a small wager on that. When do you think it's going to happen?

Sorry, meant to type "mass urban transportation". Within 10 years for a significant change here in the UK. Other parts of the world it's already happened or is happening.

 

[Sasaferrato]

If money was no object, I might get into motorcycling, but have never been interested in cars. I don't know why people find that hard to understand.

If you do get around to trying a motorbike you will be hooked in no time flat. The acceleration of even a small bike is amazing.

I'm too old and knackered now for it to be a realistic proposition (apart from the fact that Mrs Sas is most strongly opposed), but oh how I miss it still. I had a shot on a Fireblade a few years back, it was astounding.

 

[Sasaferrato]

what about other cities? I live in Leeds. It has shite and expensive public transport, and I'm not ever getting on a bus again anyway

It would depend on public transport provision. I'm not an envious person, I can admire without wanting, but I do envy London the tube.

If the tube was up here, it would encompass both Glasgow and Edinburgh.