Saul Goodman
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teuchter fly tipping and shitting on threads again. We should start a petition to get him banned from all of the transport forums.
Electric cars
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BigTom
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2030 for the UK.
At some point the economics of running a petrol station might signal the end of the secondhand market.
I imagine there'll be conversations on pistonheads about the viability of having a classic ICE car since you can't do long journeys anymore as there aren't petrol stations on the motorways etc.
T & P
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I for one think the number EVs and charging outposts will grow naturally in equal numbers, given that sales of the vehicles themselves are increasing at a pretty sedated rate. So availability of charging outlets shouldn’t be an issue in most cases.
Neither should most drivers run out of juice or be in serious danger of. Perhaps those who regularly do long journeys as an everyday job. The rest of us though, how often do we really do trips above say 200 miles per year, and furthermore how many of those would take us through areas with no charging opportunities, or a journey where we really couldn’t afford to spend half an hour at a services recharging? Most people will/ really should stop every couple of hours anyway.
I reckon the anxiety about insufficient range is built-in paranoia we all have. Most people have experienced running on fumes situations or even ran out of petrol and that doesn’t stop us from enjoying petrol cars.
Having said all of that, I reckon there could be a massive market fire EVs with easily removable batteries, so instead of waiting to recharge you hand the one in your car to the garage/ station and they give you a fully charged one. A bit like a Calor Gas canister.
Neither should most drivers run out of juice or be in serious danger of. Perhaps those who regularly do long journeys as an everyday job. The rest of us though, how often do we really do trips above say 200 miles per year, and furthermore how many of those would take us through areas with no charging opportunities, or a journey where we really couldn’t afford to spend half an hour at a services recharging? Most people will/ really should stop every couple of hours anyway.
I reckon the anxiety about insufficient range is built-in paranoia we all have. Most people have experienced running on fumes situations or even ran out of petrol and that doesn’t stop us from enjoying petrol cars.
Having said all of that, I reckon there could be a massive market fire EVs with easily removable batteries, so instead of waiting to recharge you hand the one in your car to the garage/ station and they give you a fully charged one. A bit like a Calor Gas canister.
Saul Goodman
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Unfortunately, it'll never be that simple.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
The campsite we were at up in the mountains in Portugal a couple of weeks ago had two charging points, one for Tesla and one for standard electric cars. They were free to use. Kind of makes sense as that’s the sort of long journey people would need them for, and a sign that they’re spreading to places you might not expect to find them.
BigTom
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fwiw in UK motorway service stations, the electric charging points are all in the car parks, which makes sense as people leave them for 15-20 minutes to go into the services for toilets/food/drink/whatever. If you just went to the petrol station you wouldn't see them.
That said I have no idea how Spanish/Portuguese service stations or petrol stations are generally setup so it might be completely different (or you might not be on motorway networks).
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Have just been camping in Dorset and was surprised at how many cars there were EVs. There were no charging points on the site but it got me thinking, my journey was 120 miles, so could probably do a round trip on one charge in most EVs, but even if I couldn't there were multiple service stations with charging points we could have stopped at for coffee or indeed lunch, would have saved me visiting the worst pub I have ever been in, The Sir Walter Tyrell.
weltweit
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Range isn't something drivers have had to worry about thus far simply because pretty much all cars, ICE cars, have a fuel tank that will take them a healthy 400 odd miles.
Should an ICE car have a half sized tank, perhaps only good enough for 200 miles, first I don't think there is such a car and secondly I doubt it would sell.
So now we are being asked to withdraw something that has been a basic requirement. Is it any wonder lots of people aren't happy with this situation?
Should an ICE car have a half sized tank, perhaps only good enough for 200 miles, first I don't think there is such a car and secondly I doubt it would sell.
So now we are being asked to withdraw something that has been a basic requirement. Is it any wonder lots of people aren't happy with this situation?
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Tough, frankly.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
It’s not a basic requirement though. The vast majority of trips by car don’t require that sort of range. There will be a significant percentage of cars out there that never need that range in their entire ownership cycle.
weltweit
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It is also to do with refill cycles though. If I am just tootling to work and back I can expect not to have to fill up for a week or two, which is a convenience, and when I do fill up it only takes 5 minutes.
The Tesla up the road from me seems to be on charge every night!
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If I'm just tootling to work and back, I could just plug in my vehicle at home or in the work car park and never have to worry about going to a petrol station ever again.
Saul Goodman
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The vast majority of people don't have access to a charging point at home, or at work
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
While the people who do are typically quite smug about it.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
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No shit Sherlock, the vast majority of people don't have an electric car, so I'm not surprised they don't have a charging point at home.
Saul Goodman
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No flies on you.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
That's quite a good idea - we could mandate that all existing ICE cars have surgery on their fuel tanks so that their range is decreased, increasing the incentives to move to better modes of transport and discouraging excessive mileage.
This is one of the best proposals you've ever come up with weltweit .
ChrisD
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We have a mitsubishi PHEV which does a pathetic 30 miles on electric. You'd think that a third party retailer could make replacement batteries with twice the capacity (as it's quite old tech). However the problem is that mitsubishi control the engine management chips which are an essential part of it and therefore we are stuck with the old batteries.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
My brother has one at home as his last company car was a PHEV Passat and I think his employer paid for it to be installed, but he’s stopped travelling around the country for them now and lost the company car, back to a second hand petrol or diesel one. He used to charge it at work and could do his commute and back (about ten miles each way) on fully electric.
I’ll have one eventually as we have a big garage which we always stick the car in due to being in the middle of a permit zone, eventually electrics will be cheap enough second hand that we’ll get one.
Out of curiosity, do PHEVs record mileage separately for when running on charge and for when running off the engine? I suspect there will be different patterns of use with different owners, some will be using the engine a lot, others might only be for occasional long trips. Whichever way round could mean either more wear and tear on the engine (although since they run at constant rate probably quite hardy) or more battery use which could mean less charge held over time. When it comes to resale there could be quite a difference in what you get between two cars with the same overall mileage. Guess to some extent that’s true with ICE cars too (motorway mileage vs lots of city driving knackering the gearbox).
BigTom
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Plus if you are doing a 400 mile journey, you should be taking a break in that journey anyway.
I know most car drivers won't do this, it might actually be a good thing if it's somewhat enforced by EV "limitations" in the future.
Cid
Proper break this time
This does kind of get to the core of it though... The reason there's no move toward battery swapping is that the alternative is already good enough, and likely to get better. Otherwise you probably would get some degree of manufacturer standardisation. It may well be that that kind of technology suits freight vehicles etc better, it being already fairly modular.
The cynic in me does also wonder whether the manufacturers are casting a dubious eye on how an easily changeable battery might extend longevity. But then everyone likes subscription models these days, so bit swings and roundabouts really.
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Riklet
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You live in Spain which is about 3+ years behind on basically everything though.
In a few years there will be EV points and it'll probably be cheaper to do the journey in an electric vehicle.. once youve bought one. edit: Having just looked in Valladolid there are a whopping 20 charging points of various kinds though....
I have no intention of getting an electric car because my budget is less than 800 for my next car and to me it makes no sense. I have more confidence in ICE vehicles generally. But if I was driving all over the UK or doing long journeys regularly etc I'd def consider buying one in the next year or so.
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dessiato
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. "edit: Having just looked in Valladolid there are a whopping 20 charging points of various kinds though...."
There's approx 299000 people in Valladolid. But only one charge point where I was. I suppose I could have driven around looking for some, but I'd prefer, when I'm driving through somewhere, not to have to do that.
It'll come.
There's approx 299000 people in Valladolid. But only one charge point where I was. I suppose I could have driven around looking for some, but I'd prefer, when I'm driving through somewhere, not to have to do that.
It'll come.
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