EDL watch

[cantsin]

why are the edl and fellow travellers only concerned with alleged and actual assaults committed by non white people?

because they're racist opportunists - but their involvement in this case doesn't mean a rotten miscarriage of justice ( if that's what it is - and it looks it from the bare facts on offer ) shouldn't be highlighted /opposed surely ?

 

[ddraig]

does that happen for other cases?
if yes then same should happen

 

[krink]

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[malatesta32]

oh dear.
Chaos at EDL demo as anti-fascist protesters clash in streets - updates

 

[Bernie Gunther]

This is fucking funny.

 

[Nigel]

This is fucking funny.

What did you think of the relationship between Antifa & UAF/SUTR here; especially with both groups hoarded together by police ?

 

[krink]

reminds me of this

 

[juice_terry]

They won't be playing Benny Hill music today in Manchester.. Robinson has mustered 2000 who are running amok with very little opposition and what opposition there is are taking a kicking .. sad state of affairs

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[Magnus McGinty]

This seems suspect as I'm not sure it was billed as an EDL event. Something similar was tried in Teesside last year where the far right posed as LGBT and tried to organise a demo 'against hate' and there's rumours something similar might have happened in Manchester.

 

[Corax]

This seems suspect as I'm not sure it was billed as an EDL event.

It wasn't.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Exactly. I don't know much else presently though.

 

[juice_terry]

It was billed as LGBT against Islam March then suddenly changed to Unite against Hate march .. even still numbers should have been mobilised for the initial protest ..

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[Corax]

It was billed as LGBT against Islam March then suddenly changed to Unite against Hate march .. even still numbers should have been mobilised for the initial protest ..

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How did you try to mobilise them?

 

[juice_terry]

Robinson and his goons had turned up at Didsbury Mosque at 3 this morning kicking the doors demanding to speak to the imam .. there was initially some gloating on social media that only 80 or so had turned up .. completely caught off guard

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[Magnus McGinty]

It was billed as LGBT against Islam March then suddenly changed to Unite against Hate march .. even still numbers should have been mobilised for the initial protest ..

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If that's what it was billed as I agree alarm bells should have gone off.

 

[Corax]

Who the feck wrote that flyer? Not anyone connected with NE ANTIFA for sure... was it the webel TV, Yah, bloke?

The LGBTQP acronym makes me raise an eyebrow for one thing.

Whilst I appreciate that the P is used by some for Postgender or Pansexual, this combination has also been adopted by the far right to associate paedophilia with the Pride or sexual/gender identity equality movements.

 

[juice_terry]

How did you try to mobilise them?

Same way you did

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[Corax]

Same way you did

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I didn't do anything.

Neither did I then shake my head and bemoan the lack of opposition.

 

[juice_terry]

So there's no space for criticism when things go wrong and are handles wrongly? We can only cheer on when the fash are escorted away by police and cheer on victories .. there will need to be lessons learnt from today's carry on in Manchester.. or is no one allowed to say anything that might be deemed negative ?!

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[juice_terry]

And this will be a huge confidence booster to the fash ..

ETA: have to laugh at HnH bemoaning the lack of police protection too .

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[Corax]

So there's no space for criticism when things go wrong and are handles wrongly? We can only cheer on when the fash are escorted away by police and cheer on victories .. there will need to be lessons learnt from today's carry on in Manchester.. or is no one allowed to say anything that might be deemed negative ?!

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How about instead of posting

Robinson has mustered 2000 who are running amok with very little opposition and what opposition there is are taking a kicking .. sad state of affairs

even still numbers should have been mobilised for the initial protest ..

You had tried starting with

Did anyone see any attempts to mobilise numbers for this?

How can we get rapid responses to these events more effectively?

Just a thought.

 

[juice_terry]

How about you post the way you like and I'll post the way I like .. I posted exactly what I intended to say .. so there's no need to consider your alternative

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[Corax]

How about you post the way you like and I'll post the way I like

Sure, we'll do that. And I'll continue to pull you up on your hand-wringing criticism of antifa responses whilst offering fuck all alternatives. As will, I suspect, many others.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

His criticisms are valid. Something must have gone wrong though probably intel related.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Regarding todays demo in Mcr: A few things I wrote in response to a concern that this was a bit of a win for the scum:

This isn't strictly the EDL but a broader coalition ("Unite Against Hate" - calculated doublespeak) inspired by the alt-right. So called "Rebel Media" (robinson/lennon's latest vehicle) are a key part.

I hope there isn't too much room for growth, the galvanisation of young people for Corbyn and economic populism (the best antidote to cultural r/w populism) will be very healthy in this regard.

Further, without wishing to diminish legitimate concern, the fascists had a better build-up here. They had next to nothing to do during the election, whereas the left are relatively knackered. There was a large demo against the tories in town yesterday. All the noise has been about the election and a lot of people didn't even know about today. Therefore the fash turnout was national and ours was local.

The fash will be emboldened but they are generally clueless on how to build. It's would probably be spin to call it a score-draw but a narrow win (which they dine out on for years) may still be a relatively high point. The EDL themselves collapsed after a couple of years of screw-up. The problem was that their rhetoric (and many personel) transmigrated to UKIP,then Brexit.

We are now at the start of the most detested government of our lives, and much of this may well end up on the streets. The far-right may well have only a relatively bit-part in that.

In terms of Islamaphobia, it is vital to keep up pressure regarding the establishment support for Islamic extremism via Saudi and groups like Libyan Islamic Fighting Group. The more people who are educated about Takfiri islam (a tiny majority who murder far more muslims than non muslims) the better.

 

[Red Sky]

I've heard approximately 1000 EDL, coming together under Tommy's new banner, facing an opposition of around 200, largely mobilised from various queer groups. No response from any organised anti fascist groups either SUTR or Manchester Anti Fascists.

It does seem like a bolt from the blue but there's a few factors at play. Brexit is probably dead, UKIP have vanished as a political force, there have been two terrorist atrocities and Tommy has decided to throw his hat back in as an organiser.

If it's a one off, then hey ho, but I've heard the next stop is London, possibly on the 24th. If they get the numbers out then, then we're looking at a reborn EDL.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Robinson really knows the buttons to press - apparently fash were queuing up to take selfies with him as the chants of his name got louder.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

11/06/2017 March Against Hate | Joel Goodman

 

[The39thStep]

Manchester Evening News coverage
Protesters slammed for bringing 'hate' to the city and stretching police with 'almost nothing left to give'

 

[The39thStep]

I've heard approximately 1000 EDL, coming together under Tommy's new banner, facing an opposition of around 200, largely mobilised from various queer groups. No response from any organised anti fascist groups either SUTR or Manchester Anti Fascists.

It does seem like a bolt from the blue but there's a few factors at play. Brexit is probably dead, UKIP have vanished as a political force, there have been two terrorist atrocities and Tommy has decided to throw his hat back in as an organiser.

If it's a one off, then hey ho, but I've heard the next stop is London, possibly on the 24th. If they get the numbers out then, then we're looking at a reborn EDL.

Lot more than 1000 there