EDL watch

[Fozzie Bear]

A quick browse on youtube brings up several videos, including an interview with the girl by the former EDl leader and some of the protest in Sunderland town. I don't doubt what she says. Personally, the fact of who interviews her or who is running most with the story hasn't obstructed my take on what has happened, which is focussed on the victim and the lack of justice. (and concern for future consequences)

The fact that right wing vloggers appear to be the only ones uploading the videos is because others, who should be concerned about the case, aren't. It's plain to see that it is another case of a working class woman being let down by a hypocritical and divided society, which, paralyzed by political correctness leaves it to the extreme right to fill the vacuum.

If the labour party, for example, were more in touch with working class people in the area, they would have got involved and given support and that would have, imo, lessened the standing of right wing populists who have parachuted in but are hitting on a nerve.

I don't know a lot about this case (and a quick google suggests that most other people don't know much about it either).

Maybe the obvious reasons not to wade in with all guns blazing are:

1. There is a risk of prejudicing the legal case or police investigation.
2. There is a risk of inflaming the situation. (Two asian blokes who apparently are unconnected with the crime have already been attacked)
3. There is a risk of exacerbating the trauma experienced by the victim.

I assume that the reason why I can't find a single recent news article about Chelsey Wright except far right ones is because the matter is subjudice or the investigation or trial is still continuing? Clearly these people just want to make political capital out of the fact that the alleged rapists were refugees and they don't actually give a shit about the victim or whether their intervention makes things worse for her.

If anyone thinks that the above is nonsense and/or can suggest practical pro-working class ways of showing solidarity in this situation, I would be interested to know.

 

[ddraig]

What is evident about the Chelsey case is the lack of solidarity from anything that even looks left wing. Where is the local labour party for example? Journos or feminists even?

Why the lack of initiative? Why is it left open to right wing campaigners? (not that the organizers of the campaign are, but the speakers at the protest were)

You have a woman who has been raped and her violent attackers are going unpunished. Since when has that been something it's ok to ignore? The more I look at what is happening in the UK the sicker I feel. There are very unhealthy divisions and ordinary people have been politically abandoned/shunned, leading to a very unhealthy vacuum.

More confirmation bias for my perception that 99% percent of people who claim to be progressive are in fact posers and can only show solidarity if it's for people safely very far away.

"a quick browse"
what fb groups and other things do you get your links from? stand up for your beliefs man

why are the edl and fellow travellers only concerned with alleged and actual assaults committed by non white people?

 

[Anudder Oik]

I don't know a lot about this case (and a quick google suggests that most other people don't know much about it either).

Maybe the obvious reasons not to wade in with all guns blazing are:

1. There is a risk of prejudicing the legal case or police investigation.
2. There is a risk of inflaming the situation. (Two asian blokes who apparently are unconnected with the crime have already been attacked)
3. There is a risk of exacerbating the trauma experienced by the victim.

I assume that the reason why I can't find a single recent news article about Chelsey Wright except far right ones is because the matter is subjudice or the investigation or trial is still continuing? Clearly these people just want to make political capital out of the fact that the alleged rapists were refugees and they don't actually give a shit about the victim or whether their intervention makes things worse for her.

If anyone thinks that the above is nonsense and/or can suggest practical pro-working class ways of showing solidarity in this situation, I would be interested to know.

The prosecution has been dropped apparently. There is no police investigation.

 

[Anudder Oik]

"a quick browse"
what fb groups and other things do you get your links from? stand up for your beliefs man

why are the edl and fellow travellers only concerned with alleged and actual assaults committed by non white people?

I was very clear the only information is from those sources and explained why I think it's the case.

What do you mean by standing up for your beliefs? Do you mean no one should show interest in her case for justice because right wingers are trying to or have hijacked it to some extent?
Please explain what you mean by standing up for your beliefs? Does it mean looking the other the way due to some discomfort caused by the attacker's identity?

 

[Fozzie Bear]

The prosecution has been dropped apparently. There is no police investigation.

Curious that there is no coverage in the mainstream press since October, then?

 

[ddraig]

I was very clear the only information is from those sources and explained why I think it's the case.

What do you mean by standing up for your beliefs? Do you mean no one should show interest in her case for justice because right wingers are trying to or have hijacked it to some extent?
Please explain what you mean by standing up for your beliefs? Does it mean looking the other the way due to some discomfort caused by the attacker's identity?

but why do they never ever campaign about rape(s) committed by white blokes? or their own members?

your beliefs meaning you clearly lean that way are a fellow traveller or have a weird interest in the far right, no one goes browsing youtube for such things, they arrive there from somewhere else
if this case and other like it are so important to you, be clear why they are

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I was very clear the only information is from those sources and explained why I think it's the case.

What do you mean by standing up for your beliefs? Do you mean no one should show interest in her case for justice because right wingers are trying to or have hijacked it to some extent?
Please explain what you mean by standing up for your beliefs? Does it mean looking the other the way due to some discomfort caused by the attacker's identity?

Can you name the cases you've campaigned for?

 

[DotCommunist]

Curious that there is no coverage in the mainstream press since October, then?

lefty coverup again.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Curious that there is no coverage in the mainstream press since October, then?

The Local rag did pickup on both the accusation and the subsequent arrest at the time as well as a recent note to say no charges will be brought or whatever IIRC. That is as far as they can go with the incident itself obviously.

I am not sure how a paper would be able to report on the demo without miring itself in some awful black hole with no end- maybe their lawyers have just advised them to avoid totally. The EDL are troping that the lack of coverage is indeed effectively a cover up. I am hearing the things a very tense in the Hendon area - the pub talk and rumour I am hearing of is very nasty - other assault being reported in Washington last week ( no idea if correct as the net has a mind of its own) by an asylum seeker blah blah blah. fucking awful.

 

[Ranbay]

Tommy made it to Manchester yet or what?

 

[treelover]

but why do they never ever campaign about rape(s) committed by white blokes? or their own members?

your beliefs meaning you clearly lean that way are a fellow traveller or have a weird interest in the far right, no one goes browsing youtube for such things, they arrive there from somewhere else
if this case and other like it are so important to you, be clear why they are

You have form on accusing leftist minded people of being on the far right, give it a rest.

 

[Anudder Oik]

but why do they never ever campaign about rape(s) committed by white blokes? or their own members?

your beliefs meaning you clearly lean that way are a fellow traveller or have a weird interest in the far right, no one goes browsing youtube for such things, they arrive there from somewhere else
if this case and other like it are so important to you, be clear why they are

If you read my posts correctly you will perhaps notice that they are in essence showing regret that other, more supposedly progressive political organizations are not engaging working class issues and thus allowing the likes of Edl to fill a vacuum that they should not be filling.

As for "no one goes browsing youtube", well, that's an argument in favour of outright ignorance. I first heard about the girl's plight on this very thread so went to check what was going on. Viewing the case objectiveley you can see two things:

A. An injustice involving rape
B. The right wing offering leadership to the campaign.

Noticing these two facts is not the same as supporting B.

 

[Pickman's model]

You have form on accusing leftist minded people of being on the far right, give it a rest.

he's not worth it, treelover

 

[Anudder Oik]

Yeah Treelover, you better take those flowers back to the shop.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah Treelover, you better take those flowers back to the shop.

unless they're lilies.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

If you read my posts correctly you will perhaps notice that they are in essence showing regret that other, more supposedly progressive political organizations are not engaging working class issues and thus allowing the likes of Edl to fill a vacuum that they should not be filling.

As for "no one goes browsing youtube", well, that's an argument in favour of outright ignorance. I first heard about the girl's plight on this very thread so went to check what was going on. Viewing the case objectiveley you can see two things:

A. An injustice involving rape
B. The right wing offering leadership to the campaign.

Noticing these two facts is not the same as supporting B.

They're not 'offering leadership' at all. They're providing publicity in return for exploiting it for political ends.
Now, why do you think other political groups might not be keen to use a rape victim for political gain?

 

[LiamO]

They're not 'offering leadership' at all. They're providing publicity in return for exploiting it for political ends.

Yes. That is exactly the point Anudder Oik is making.

The problem is that for many locals they are perceived as 'offering leadership'.

That's how it works.

That's how it worked for the 'Rights For Whites' campaigns in East London in the early 90's. Oik is lamenting the way the left just allows them do to this unchallenged and suggesting the reasons why he thinks this is the case.

It is a case with merit IMHO.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Yes. That is exactly the point Anudder Oik is making.

The problem is that for many locals they are perceived as 'offering leadership'.

That's how it works.

That's how it worked for the 'Rights For Whites' campaigns in East London in the early 90's. Oik is lamenting the way the left just allows them to this unchallenged and suggesting the reasons why he thinks this is the case.

It is a case with merit IMHO.

So what would you have done? Got in there first and exploited it for political gain yourself? Opposed them for doing so? What?

 

[LiamO]

So what would you have done? Got in there first and exploited it for political gain yourself? Opposed them for doing so? What?

Now you are just being silly.

Not my beef. cba.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Now you are just being silly.

Not my beef. cba.

Not sure it's on to criticise without offering advice / an alternative.

 

[LiamO]

cba

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Haha aren't the left in Sunderland shit?

What would you have done?

cba.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I asked upthread what a pro-working class response to this would look like and I think it is a reasonable question.

A protest/vigil/pressure lead by local w/c women is about as far as I've got with it.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I asked upthread what a pro-working class response to this would look like and I think it is a reasonable question.

A protest/vigil/pressure lead by local w/c women is about as far as I've got with it.

It started as an initiative led by locals, the far right have since parachuted in.
I'm not a fan of rocking up to local initiatives, SWP style, and raising a banner above it. Obviously it leaves it wide open for the far right. On this occasion they have it right though, just for the wrong reasons obvs.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I suppose if solidarity/community focused groups already existed in those communities then the far right would have a harder time making inroads when a campaign that suits comes along.

 

[ddraig]

You have form on accusing leftist minded people of being on the far right, give it a rest.

pardon?? have you read AO posts?? and their threads??

you have form for posting a lot of crap and flaming everyone that doesn't fit into your cosy box, fuck off

 

[ddraig]

If you read my posts correctly you will perhaps notice that they are in essence showing regret that other, more supposedly progressive political organizations are not engaging working class issues and thus allowing the likes of Edl to fill a vacuum that they should not be filling.

As for "no one goes browsing youtube", well, that's an argument in favour of outright ignorance. I first heard about the girl's plight on this very thread so went to check what was going on. Viewing the case objectiveley you can see two things:

A. An injustice involving rape
B. The right wing offering leadership to the campaign.

Noticing these two facts is not the same as supporting B.

bullshit, you've been called out and run away from so many dodgy posts it's not just a coincidence

if you were viewing it objectively then why can't you see the far right are using it for their own gain/advantage?

 

[juice_terry]

Tommy made it to Manchester yet or what?

Yes the snake has .. hopefully he will be shouted down/chased off by locals in the same way EDL twats were at the arndale earlier


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[Anudder Oik]

bullshit, you've been called out and run away from so many dodgy posts it's not just a coincidence

if you were viewing it objectively then why can't you see the far right are using it for their own gain/advantage?

But I can see the far right are using it for their own gain, hence the regret that the campaign is not being supported by other, more progressive groups.

 

[ddraig]

But I can see the far right are using it for their own gain, hence the regret that the campaign is not being supported by other, more progressive groups.

What campaign?
What should "more progressive" groups be doing? Which ones? And why aren't you asking those groups or starting one yourself?
Should these groups also campaign about rape by non white perpetrators?

Seeing as you are so concerned