EDL watch

[framed]

Unfortunately quite a few people I know think that the stunt reinforced their view of the left as telling people that they can't say what they want, that Farage and his family time is a no go area and that the left look like a bunch of middle class hippies.

Families were considered by AFA as being off-limits and lefties who did not keep to that 'unwritten rule' were considered as cowards and liberty taking cunts. Even if the fash didn't follow those 'rules' themselves, it was important for us to distinguish ourselves in every way from them and their tactics. By all means, they should never feel comfortable and the main protagonists should always be loooking over their shoulders, but attacks on their family homes and even 'stunts' that involve harassing them in public while with their families is beyond the pale imho.

 

[Nigel]

https://www.facebook.com/events/1618170855087109/

WITH REGARDS ANTI FASCIST MOBILISATION AGAINST EDL IN OXFORD SATURDAY !
Thanks to everyone who was active, supported or contributed in any way to our; Anti Fascist Network Independent Anti Fascists mobilisation this Saturday. We are planning on having another informal meeting a week Tuesday; 14th April 2015 for discussion.
Contact: 07944647839

 

[gamerunknown]

They were also out Friday.

 

[Nigel]

List of far right candidates standing in elections (though apparently not complete)
http://www.dreamdeferred.org.uk/201...didates-in-the-general-election-full-details/

 

[Nigel]

https://www.facebook.com/events/1618170855087109/

WITH REGARDS ANTI FASCIST MOBILISATION AGAINST EDL IN OXFORD SATURDAY !
Thanks to everyone who was active, supported or contributed in any way to our; Anti Fascist Network Independent Anti Fascists mobilisation this Saturday. We are planning on having another informal meeting a week Tuesday; 14th April 2015 for discussion.
Contact: 07944647839

Have venue.
Anyone intersted in Oxford give us a ring and leave message.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Question: whats happening with the EDL Brighton next weekend...apologies if I've missed a crucial post?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[ddraig]

if you mean Mfe then it is in Blackpool this year

 

[gamerunknown]

Question: whats happening with the EDL Brighton next weekend...apologies if I've missed a crucial post?

if you mean Mfe then it is in Blackpool this year

Yeah, March for England has shifted to the North since Brighton wasn't particularly welcoming last time around, a few different groups have announced opposition.

EDL announced a demonstration to fill the vacuum, but it'd be the first one without an ostensible Muslim target as far as I can tell and has been "postponed". Hence the celebration on the 26th.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

if you mean Mfe then it is in Blackpool this year

No I meant the EDL march on 18th April; I'm glad they've 'thought better' of the idea.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Thunderfist]

They have posted a list of 'reasons' to come to Brighton, mostly to do with the Greens and their lack of respect for 'our boys'. I guess we''ll have to see how well the Greens do in the election and await the EDLs decision. Walthamstow's up next on the 9th of May. It was very entertaining last time. http://www.schnews.org.uk/stories/DEATH-KNELL-FOR-THE-EDL/

 

[Citizen66]

Would be interesting to see who would be defending the Brighton Green Party.

defend the strike breakers from the working class....

 

[Thunderfist]

I wouldn't be defending them anymore then I'm defending a proposed mega-mosque or whatever BS excuse the EDL have come up with to go somewhere and march.

 

[Citizen66]

I wouldn't be defending them anymore then I'm defending a proposed mega-mosque or whatever BS excuse the EDL have come up with to go somewhere and march.

I wouldn't defend a mega mosque or the green party. Sounds a grand day out in the sun though.

 

[Thunderfist]

. Sounds a grand day out in the sun though.

It will be if it comes to pass

 

[Joe Reilly]

Families were considered by AFA as being off-limits and lefties who did not keep to that 'unwritten rule' were considered as cowards and liberty taking cunts. Even if the fash didn't follow those 'rules' themselves, it was important for us to distinguish ourselves in every way from them and their tactics. By all means, they should never feel comfortable and the main protagonists should always be loooking over their shoulders, but attacks on their family homes and even 'stunts' that involve harassing them in public while with their families is beyond the pale imho.

In a similar vein I remember comedian Jo Brand, shortly after the BNP membership list was published, announcing on stage that she "now knew where the post the shit parcels!". The audience whooped. But this is what racists used to do to Asian and West Indian families in the 60's and 70's. It was skulking and degenerate and then, and it is skulking and degenerate now. It is important to fight fascism, but but why and how you do it is nothing less than critical in terms of the overall outcome.

 

[framed]

In a similar vein I remember comedian Jo Brand, shortly after the BNP membership list was published, announcing on stage that she "now knew where the post the shit parcels!". The audience whooped. But this is what racists used to do to Asian and West Indian families in the 60's and 70's. It was skulking and degenerate and then, and it is skulking and degenerate now. It is important to fight fascism, but but why and how you do it is nothing less than critical in terms of the overall outcome.

I also have a bit of experience of the reverse scenario

 

[Joe Reilly]

I also have a bit of experience of the reverse scenario

Pray expand...

 

[framed]

Pray expand...

I meant when the opposition come knocking on our doors... the dickheads who take liberties and give it the big 'un to Farage, Griffin, etc when they're out in public with their families are rarely the ones that have revenge visited upon them and their kin.

I won't delve into further detail on that, might've been too cryptic with my previous reply.

 

[Anudder Oik]

The harrasment of Farage when with his children by a gaggle of upper middle class twats has given oxygen to one of those fascistic looking groups called Bigheads First. There's a video on youtube called "UKIP ATTACKERS GET THEIR COMEUPPANCE!", where a bunch of 1970's NF nostalgics gatecrash a "lefty" meeting. It has had nearly 100,000 views and has a nightmare soundtrack. Some of the video is comedy gold but they could be taken seriously by the wider and now rudderless EDL supporters.

 

[nino_savatte]

Not EDL but related in terms of ideology. It seems Eddy Butler is back and he's been nominated by a Kipper to be a candidate for the English Democrats.
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/ukip/birds-of-a-feather-4392

 

[malatesta32]

The harrasment of Farage when with his children by a gaggle of upper middle class twats has given oxygen to one of those fascistic looking groups called Bigheads First. There's a video on youtube called "UKIP ATTACKERS GET THEIR COMEUPPANCE!", where a bunch of 1970's NF nostalgics gatecrash a "lefty" meeting. It has had nearly 100,000 views and has a nightmare soundtrack. Some of the video is comedy gold but they could be taken seriously by the wider and now rudderless EDL supporters.

UAF meetings are regularly threatened and sometimes visited. they never have proper security or stewarding and it is an easy 'victory' for the fash. it also puts people off from further meetings if they dont feel relatively safe. which is the point. and talking of 'smashing' the EDL and other inflammatory phrases whilst holding placards is likewise offputting.

 

[Thunderfist]

a gaggle of upper middle class twats

Upper middle class? I fully expect them to have been promoted to fully fledged members of the aristocracy by the end of the week.

As previously stated Dan Glass is a self aggrandizing prick , probably a future Peter Hain. However not everyone involved in the stunt is a posho. As it was their meeting that Britain First turned up to, not anyone else's then moaning that they're just provoking reprisals against other people and their kin doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

 

[Thunderfist]

UAF meetings are regularly threatened and sometimes visited. they never have proper security or stewarding and it is an easy 'victory' for the fash. it also puts people off from further meetings if they dont feel relatively safe. which is the point. and talking of 'smashing' the EDL and other inflammatory phrases whilst holding placards is likewise offputting.

Where has this happened recently?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

However not everyone involved in the stunt is a posho. .

How do you know?

What do you think the intervention achieved?

 

[Thunderfist]

How do you know?

Because I know two of them.

I'm not a fan of the tendency to dismiss anything I don't like as 'middle class' - it diminishes the currency.

 

[malatesta32]

was just a matter of time:
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/ukip/ukip-mp-hopeful-links-up-with-edl-founder-4398

 

[malatesta32]

Solihull EDL demo update:
Midlands Anti-fascists say: 'We have been kettled by the West Midlands police under breach of the peace, moved to a location and issued a section 14 order after confronting the pitiful EDL presence. Again, the police are protecting the fascists.' Also: 'Edl kettled in pub. West mids antifa kettled in market sq. Black bloc tried attacking edl. Locals not keen on fash!.. ' And 'About 20 of them shouting whose streets.' Also reports of 7 EDL in Newcastle wandering cluelessly about with a painted bed sheet.

 

[laptop]

I'm not a fan of the tendency to dismiss anything I don't like as 'middle class' - it diminishes the currency.

It also presupposes that no working-class person has ever been up for a bit of dressing-up and theatrical fun. Which is patently not the case.

What it really means is "the event wasn't grim".

 

[intersol32]

It also presupposes that no working-class person has ever been up for a bit of dressing-up and theatrical fun. Which is patently not the case.

What it really means is "the event wasn't grim".

Not at all. But as smokeandsteam points out, you have to ask the question "what did the intervention achieve?"

It's fine saying that it appeals to oneself on a personal level, but what purchase do such actions have amongst the wider working class itself?

If you're not careful all you end up doing is looking like a bunch of lefty students having a doss (even if that's not actually the case).

On the point of protecting your meetings. It's patently obvious that anti-fascist meetings can (and will) be targeted by the far right on occasion. To not at least have some form of stewarding is short sighted and defies common sense - and that doesn't necessarily mean a gang of big lads on the door who'll intimidate all comers.

 

[Thunderfist]

Not at all. But as smokeandsteam points out, you have to ask the question "what did the intervention achieve?"

It's fine saying that it appeals to oneself on a personal level, but what purchase do such actions have amongst the wider working class itself?

Can anyone really answer that question? Maybe a polling organisation. I suspect however that you already have the answer because like a lot of posters on here you imagine that the entire 'working class' is basically yourself writ large. Hence your ability to confidently pronounce on their likes and dislikes as if they were a monolithic body.