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Corax said:
Southampton's a bit of a paradox in some ways.

There's a heavy element of casual racism (together with the anti-immigration and anti-multiculturalism front), and a loudly proclaimed hatred of asians amongst certain sections of the community. My experience of living here for the past decade is that it's more overtly racist, and that racism is more common, than anywhere else I've lived in (or anywhere I know enough to make that call).

But I think we have the most apathetic racists/fash in the country. They just can't be arsed tbh.

It's a reflection on the place in general, which has been so badly mismanaged for so long that it's become a black hole of despair and hopeless resignation. Nothing interesting happens here, the built environment is shit and depressing, the education system sucks, employment prospects are limited and mainly in call-centres, and all the council ever do is build more flats and bicker with each other. All whilst comparative cities like Bristol and Cardiff have been sorting their shit out and becoming interesting places to exist. It's not just the potential EDLers that can't be arsed - it's everyone.

So - significant potential fash threat here, but not one that's ever likely to do anything organised. In the meantime, there's a helluva lot of street-level racist violence and verbal abuse. Countering that requires more than just a placard and a slogan though.
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I think you're sound Corax despite sometimes disagreeing with you, but what a load of shit!

(except about the built environment)
 
Spanky Longhorn said:
I think you're sound Corax despite sometimes disagreeing with you, but what a load of shit!

(except about the built environment)
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It's honestly been my experience of the place...

Plenty of good people around as well. I'm not saying everyone in Southampton has a swastika tattoo on their arse. I've just never seen so much acceptance of racism anywhere else I've lived or know well - so little challenge to casual comments.

ETA: My time here's been mainly in Woolston, Sholing and the Shirley edge of Millbrook. Dunno if that's a factor.
 
the speakers banned, march banned, charity rejected the EDL publicly (as did help for heroes and the money was kept by the EDL), plod told tommy he cant amass his followers to descend on woolwich. instead they are going to turn up at the place where rigby was killed.
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treelover said:
Bit about the charity great, but why are you celebrating protestors being banned?, next time it could you and your cohorts..
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Do you ever contribute anything of interest or value to any thread or are you really just the contrary, whiney pain in the arse you seem to be?
 
im not celebrating it, i am pointing out the ineptitude of the EDL. i am hoping that you know i don't support 'state anti-fascism.'
 
YouSir said:
Do you ever contribute anything of interest or value to any thread or are you really just the contrary, whiney pain in the arse you seem to be?
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er, I think you will find I have started a number of threads on social policy which have been both informative and very popular, not that I have to justify anything to you or anyone else...
 
I couldn't give a toss that the state has banned the EDL march or stopped the nazi fuckers from the US coming here.
I do understand the argument about the state turning on the left demos etc. but to be honest that happens all the time...look how hard it is to have a "legal" strike!
The Nazi's forfeit their rights to free speech simply by being nazis...there is no such thing as free speech...try running up to a stranger in the street and screaming that you hope that they and their family die horrible slow deaths...there is a better than average chance that you'll be arrested as you don't have the right to do that...the nazis do that EVERY time they march so in what is a very unpolitical sentiment...fuck em
 
comrade spurski said:
I couldn't give a toss that the state has banned the EDL march or stopped the nazi fuckers from the US coming here.
I do understand the argument about the state turning on the left demos etc. but to be honest that happens all the time...look how hard it is to have a "legal" strike!
The Nazi's forfeit their rights to free speech simply by being nazis...there is no such thing as free speech...try running up to a stranger in the street and screaming that you hope that they and their family die horrible slow deaths...there is a better than average chance that you'll be arrested as you don't have the right to do that...the nazis do that EVERY time they march so in what is a very unpolitical sentiment...fuck em
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comrade spurski said:
I couldn't give a toss that the state has banned the EDL march or stopped the nazi fuckers from the US coming here.
I do understand the argument about the state turning on the left demos etc. but to be honest that happens all the time...look how hard it is to have a "legal" strike!
The Nazi's forfeit their rights to free speech simply by being nazis...there is no such thing as free speech...try running up to a stranger in the street and screaming that you hope that they and their family die horrible slow deaths...there is a better than average chance that you'll be arrested as you don't have the right to do that...the nazis do that EVERY time they march so in what is a very unpolitical sentiment...fuck em
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Flabby state/stage liberal anti-fascism at its very best.
 
The two hasbeens concerned seem very happy about it - they got probably better publicity than they would have otherwise, people are talking about them again, and they didn't even have to go to the effort of crossing the Atlantic. Not that that's at all unexpected of course.
 
comrade spurski said:
I couldn't give a toss that the state has banned the EDL march or stopped the nazi fuckers from the US coming here.
I do understand the argument about the state turning on the left demos etc. but to be honest that happens all the time...look how hard it is to have a "legal" strike!speech...try running up to a stranger in the street and screaming that you hope that they and their family die horrible slow deaths...there is a better than average chance that you'll be arrested as you don't have the right to do that...the nazis do that EVERY time they march so in what is a very unpolitical sentiment...fuck em
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Fuck em all day long, yea sure, but be warey of who you "allow" the right to protest. I may think EDL and nazi fucks are a load of cunts, but I would defend their rights to be cunts all day long. You can not ban a protest cos it might be unpopular. Just as you can not ban a counter demo against an unpopular demo. That's just fucked up, and is a dangerous road to go down. we are free, remember it.
 
xes said:
Fuck em all day long, yea sure, but be warey of who you "allow" the right to protest. I may think EDL and nazi fucks are a load of cunts, but I would defend their rights to be cunts all day long. You can not ban a protest cos it might be unpopular. Just as you can not ban a counter demo against an unpopular demo. That's just fucked up, and is a dangerous road to go down. we are free, remember it.
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I certainly wouldnt defend their right to be cunts, but the state only ever acts in the interest of maintaining the status quo. The state does not allow or ban things because of "good" and "evil" it allows or bans things that are expediant for it to allow or ban at the time.
 
Limerick Red said:
I certainly wouldnt defend their right to be cunts, but the state only ever acts in the interest of maintaining the status quo. The state does not allow or ban things because of "good" and "evil" it allows or bans things that are expediant for it to allow or ban at the time.
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Innit, you don't oppose state bans because you want to defend their "right" to be cunts - you oppose state bans because once the precedent has been set it's as likely to be used against us as it is them.

Wasn't there a ban on political uniforms justified by the blackshirts that was only ever used against communists or something? Vaguely remember reading about it but I guess it might have just been a cheese induced dream.
 
xes said:
I may think EDL and nazi fucks are a load of cunts, but I would defend their rights to be cunts all day long.
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I wouldn't. But nor would I whistle for the state to sort them out or be pleased when others do so.
 
butchersapron said:
Why would you not defend their rights to be cunts? I would.
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Anti racists defending people's right to be racist? That's the context I mean it in, not just a generic 'being cunts' which could mean absolutely anything.
 
butchersapron said:
Do you want to talk about it properly or not? Don't ever ask me such stupid questions again please.
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I am talking about it properly. You said you'd defend people's right to be racist. What's wrong with what I asked?
 
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