EDL watch

[ddraig]

Cardiff "Strong" was weak
about 15 of them and no families this time
nazi boy from Swansea picked up early on and the walk wasn't even followed as no recognisable fash on it
there were some blokes hanging around the edges who were either OB or casuals keeping an eye
looked like it was organised by the same woman who did the walk for Lee Rigby
spoons was shut!

 

[J Ed]

These strong fronts are getting some seriously good press coverage, and obviously people who don't know that they are fronts and would never work with the EDL are going to their events.

http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/i...ng_of_drummer_lee_rigby_in_woolwich_1_2241910

Last pic is apparently the Rigby family at Middleton strong.

 

[Ranbay]

http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/latest-news/appeal.asp?ID=5619

Bang investigated as mosque device confirmed as home-made explosive


WEST Midlands Police has tonight (23 June) confirmed that the suspicious package found at a mosque in Walsall over the weekend is a small home-made explosive device.
Enquiries have revealed that local residents heard a bang on Friday evening which appears to be consistent with the device going off.
No one was injured and there was only minimal damage around the device, which was in an adjoining public alleyway.
Police were called to Ashia Mosque on Rutter Street, Walsall at around 10.45pm on Saturday 22 June following the discovery of the device by a member of the public, who had taken it into the building.
Assistant Chief Constable Sharon Rowe said: “The force is taking this attack against the mosque very seriously and we have a major investigation underway.
“To that end, I have called in support from all over the force, including the West Midlands Counter Terrorism Unit, which has a number of experts supporting the inquiry.
“Specialist investigators have been working all day and continue to ensure that we maximise every opportunity from the crime scene.
“At this stage we are keeping an open mind on a motive, but have recorded it as a hate crime. A hate crime is any criminal act committed against a person or property that is motivated by the offender’s hatred of people because of their gender, race, religion, disability or sexual orientation.
“The investigation is being supported by officers from the neighbourhood policing team, who have local knowledge and relationships.
“If there is anyone who heard the bang on Friday evening, or saw suspicious activity on Friday or Saturday, who could help the investigation, I would urge them to come forward as soon as possible."
While this is believed to be an isolated incident, West Midlands Police has increased patrols in Walsall and across the force area to reassure people who may be worried.
Mosque spokesman, Mr Ziaul Haq, said: "We didn’t think this item was serious, but called the police.
"We would like to thank the police for taking this seriously and for investigating this thoroughly.
"We have beautiful relationships with the local community and we’ve never had any trouble at all at our mosque. We are not too worried about this and we have every confidence in the police."
Cllr Zahid Ali, portfolio holder for public health and protection, said: "We stand shoulder to shoulder together as a community in support of the police.
"We’ve worked very hard with the community and shown that we were there for them when the evacuated residents needed shelter.
"Walsall has really shown its mettle in coming together and responding with calm determination."
A small scene will be retained overnight, but the majority of residents have returned to their homes. The remainder will be allowed to return this evening.
Worshippers have been able to return to the mosque for prayers this afternoon.
Anyone concerned by the events or with information which may aid the investigation should call police on 101. Those who do not want to speak with police officers directly should call the independent charity Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.
To report hate crimes, visit: www.report-it.org.uk.
GUIDANCE TO MEDIA: The press office wil be closing at 8pm today (Sunday), any updates will be done via the force's Twitter account - @WMPolice

 

[audiotech]

As someone who gets called a pakiand whose mrs gets called a paki lover I think hating pakis makes him a racist in the real sense of the word

I don't disagree with you on that. My main point being that I don't believe he's a 'white supremacist' in the strictest meaning of the term.

 

[Ranbay]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-23019142

on BBC now

 

[J Ed]

god this is brilliant propaganda. No way are they not getting some serious funding and advice from somewhere.

 

[Favelado]

My word. That is extraordinarily cynical. Let's hope the little girl gets her treatment. Shame that even something as serious as this is seen as fair game for people of ANY political persuasion.

 

[treelover]

where is he getting the dosh for all that serious gear?

 

[SpineyNorman]

god this is brilliant propaganda. No way are they not getting some serious funding and advice from somewhere.

Chance for one of the rich 'antifascists' who constantly sneer at the EDL proles to actually do something that could aid the antifascist cause for once in their fucking lives - donate the money the family needs and pull the rug from under that cynical, self-satisfied faker. I bet HNH or Searchlight, UAF even, could get that money together if they put their minds to it. Never gonna happen though.

 

[audiotech]

Right wing activists could donate some of their "rich-pickings" they have in the past collected in out of court settlements from printers, distributors and stockists of the anti-fascist magazine Searchlight. Then of course there has been rich fascists such as Oswald Moseley, an aristocrat who had £100,000 to spare to employ 150 staff and organise barracks in Chelsea for his fascist movement, Lord Rothermere a supporter, as was Vickers boss, Lord Armstrong and car magnate, Sir William Morris. What they wanted was some mugs to act as a strong arm - a right-wing authoritarian movement - to do their dirty work in the event of a general strike. The same counterparts are still around today doing exactly the same thing, but more in the shadows, as they usually are. But you know all this. There have been anti-fascists who've donated, to causes we don't know about I'm sure and of course to the anti-fascist cause itself we do know about. Hundreds hospitalised, as the Blackshirts "drenchened" the East End with a "sustained campaign of racist intimidation". No "rich" anti-fascists playing a part? None in Spain? Did you note the smug grin on the face of Yaxley-Lennon when he mentioned the East London mosque? He bragged on the video posted earlier he was earning 300,000 a year and had two businessess. That's being rich from where I come from. He could donate most of what's needed out of his own pocket. 77 years have past since Cable Street, but the game is still the same. A right-wing, authoritarian movement is being built and sustained for use if need be as the crisis deepens and what do you do? Come out with some workerist bollocks. Hurrah!

To quote Orwell (was he a "rich anti-fascist"?):

There is nothing in the “national character” of Britain that guards against a turn to murderous fascist reaction. If the British ruling class failed to reach for the fascist weapon in the mid-1930s it was because the crisis never reached the depths that it did in Italy, Germany and Spain.

Source.

 

[DotCommunist]

god this is brilliant propaganda. No way are they not getting some serious funding and advice from somewhere.

he's certainly getting better- two years ago he'd be able to speak to a far right crowd and thats it. Now he's doing an impression of normal, a good impression. He's had pointers, no doubt

 

[SpineyNorman]

Right wing activists could donate some of their "rich-pickings" they have in the past collected in out of court settlements from printers, distributors and stockists of the anti-fascist magazine Searchlight. Then of course there has been rich fascists such as Oswald Moseley, an aristocrat who had £100,000 to spare to employ 150 staff and organise barracks in Chelsea for his fascist movement, Lord Rothermere a supporter, as was Vickers boss, Lord Armstrong and car magnate, Sir William Morris. What they wanted was some mugs to act as a strong arm - a right-wing authoritarian movement - to do their dirty work in the event of a general strike. The same counterparts are still around today doing exactly the same thing, but more in the shadows, as they usually are. But you know all this. There have been anti-fascists who've donated, to causes we don't know about I'm sure and of course to the anti-fascist cause itself we do know about. Hundreds hospitalised, as the Blackshirts "drenchened" the East End with a "sustained campaign of racist intimidation". No "rich" anti-fascists playing a part? None in Spain? Did you note the smug grin on the face of Yaxley-Lennon when he mentioned the East London mosque? He bragged on the video posted earlier he was earning 300,000 a year and had two businessess. That's being rich from where I come from. He could donate most of what's needed out of his own pocket. 77 years have past since Cable Street, but the game is still the same. A right-wing, authoritarian movement is being built and sustained for use if need be as the crisis deepens and what do you do? Come out with some workerist bollocks. Hurrah!

To quote Orwell (was he a "rich anti-fascist"?):

Source.

I think you might have slightly missed the point there mate. Why would I want rich fascists to stump up the cash? That's still gonna be a far right propaganda coup isn't it? The point is that someone like Billy 'Britain became a classless society around the time I bought my first mansion' Bragg could pay this relatively easily, making it impossible for the edl to use as propaganda. I wasn't saying all fascists are working class and all antifascists are rich or anything. And as for Orwell,.I'd question the anti fascist credentials of a man who provides.lists of communists to.the security.services.

 

[Anudder Oik]

god this is brilliant propaganda. No way are they not getting some serious funding and advice from somewhere.

This is really odd. It has got nothing to do with the EDL's campaign against "extremist" muslims. It's a total divergence from their main theme and doesn't tie in with their cause, except as an emotional trojan horse aimed at projecting themselves at a broader, softer and albeit "gullible" public.

The EDL are not the right organization to be doing this charity campaign, that's for sure, but it looks like they are tactically miles ahead of their opposition at the moment. (who incidentally on TV the other day were incapable of forming clear arguements against him)

I suspect that this new charity campaign, that substitutes help for heroes, might be influenced by this slogan: "None shall starve nor freeze" guess where that comes from?

 

[J Ed]

This is really odd. It has got nothing to do with the EDL's campaign against "extremist" muslims. It's a total divergence from their main theme and doesn't tie in with their cause, except as an emotional trojan horse aimed at projecting themselves at a broader albeit "gullible" public.

It's a clever racialised appeal to class solidarity, he's saying that if the EDL had their way then money would go to the sick kids of ordinary families which can't happen now because the establishment is too busy spending money on the funeral of a woman who did so much harm to working-class families and on Muslims. Going over EDL propaganda this comes up a lot, the EDL worldview explains that the bedroom tax is only happening because the state is spending so much on Muslim immigrants who of course in their propaganda they say do not pay the bedroom tax.

 

[Limerick Red]

These strong fronts are getting some seriously good press coverage, and obviously people who don't know that they are fronts and would never work with the EDL are going to their events.

http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/i...ng_of_drummer_lee_rigby_in_woolwich_1_2241910

Last pic is apparently the Rigby family at Middleton strong.

Not across the board, only 2 people turned up in Southampton, Portsmouth was cancelled.
This is the report from the Harlow Star

THE organiser of a charity march in memory of murdered soldier Lee Rigby has declared today’s (Sunday, June 23) event a success - despite the fact that fewer than 30 people took part.
 
Leo Hartley had invited hundreds to Harlow Strong - which he had billed as a “peaceful march to protest against all forms of extremism” - via Facebook, but ultimately only 28 people turned up.
 
Organised under the banner of the Woolwich Strong movement - which has come under fire from anti-racsim groups for having direct links with far-right organisations including the English Defence League - the march was one of more than 20 similar events taking place simultaneously in towns and cities across the UK.
 
“It’s obviously a disappointing turnout, but I’m still proud of everyone who came out and showed their support today,” Mr Hartley told the Star.
 
“Although there were not as many people as I had hoped for, those who came stood strong together.
 
“We have also had a lot of messages of support from those unable to make it, and the positive response from people driving past as we marched through Harlow was encouraging.”
 
Escorted by police, the group - which included several members of the EDL - set off from Harlow Civic Centre at 12pm and marched through the town centre before heading towards the Netteswell War Memorial on School Lane.
 
While on Broad Walk, they passed a counter-demonstration set up by the Harlow branch of Unite Against Fascism, who had expressed major concerns in the build-up to Harlow Strong that the event would attract “undesireable” attention from members of extreme right-wing organisations,
 
Yet the potential flashpoint passed without incident, and the group continued on its route to the Town Park, where they observed a two-minute silence before laying a wreath in memory of Lee Rigby after one of Mr Hartley’s children read a poem paying tribute to the fallen soldier.
 
“It may have been a smaller event than we had hoped for, but the important thing is that nationally we have sent a clear message that extremism and terrorism will not be tolerated by the people of Great Britain, regardless of their race, religion or politics,” Mr Hartley added.
 
Asked why he thought so few people had turned out, he said “political pressure” and “misinformation” had put many off joining the march, which local anti-racism campaigners and trade unionists had branded as a “front” for the EDL and BNP.
 
“There has been a certain amount of scaremongering and misunderstanding, and I think this will have made some people too scared to show their support,” Mr Hartley said.
 
“This event was open to anyone who wanted to show their respect to our troops. Regardless of their political beliefs, everyone who marched today respected our request that they leave their political agendas at home to march peacefully and with dignity.
 
“I have always said that this would be a peaceful, non-political and family-friendly event, and today I was proved right.”
 
Mr Hartley added that he now planned to make the march an annual event.
 
“Extremism and terrorism are not going to disappear overnight, so I hope to make this march an annual event,” he said.
 
“Hopefully next year we will have a better turnout now that people have seen we are a peaceful, non-political group.”

 

[Pickman's model]

they will be embarrassed by the turnout on an annual basis then Limerick Red

 

[CharlieChaplin]

He's probably not had PR training, just got better speaking to the media through experience.

I used to get nervous about speaking on the phone. I'd experience heart palpitations and stumble over my words. Then I had a job on the phones in an office and within a few weeks I was speaking clear as day answering the phones (even though I was surrounded by other people).

 

[jakethesnake]

About 30 marched in Exeter with about 150 antis holding a silent vigil organised by the local UAF. I wasn't there but it was pretty peaceful by all accounts.

 

[SpineyNorman]

He's probably not had PR training, just got better speaking to the media through experience.

I used to get nervous about speaking on the phone. I'd experience heart palpitations and stumble over my words. Then I had a job on the phones in an office and within a few weeks I was speaking clear as day answering the phones (even though I was surrounded by other people).

He has. He definitely has. In fact it's unrealistic to think that the leader of a group backed and to an extent coordinated by the likes of Frank Gaffney wouldn't have had quite comprehensive media training. You can tell - he talks like a media savvy politician in a lot of ways these days.

 

[Corax]

He's probably not had PR training, just got better speaking to the media through experience.

There was a video posted a while back that I commented on, that his hand movements were reminiscent of Tony Blair. It was absolutely textbook stuff, and not something done in a way that people do naturally. Sealed the certainty of media training for me.

 

[J Ed]

I used to get nervous about speaking on the phone. I'd experience heart palpitations and stumble over my words. Then I had a job on the phones in an office and within a few weeks I was speaking clear as day answering the phones (even though I was surrounded by other people).

Does that help you out when you go on EDL marches?

 

[Anudder Oik]

What proof is there that the "Strong" marches are an EDL front?

 

[audiotech]

I think you might have slightly missed the point there mate. Why would I want rich fascists to stump up the cash? That's still gonna be a far right propaganda coup isn't it? The point is that someone like Billy 'Britain became a classless society around the time I bought my first mansion' Bragg could pay this relatively easily, making it impossible for the edl to use as propaganda. I wasn't saying all fascists are working class and all antifascists are rich or anything. And as for Orwell,.I'd question the anti fascist credentials of a man who provides.lists of communists to.the security.services.

It's what Orwell said that's at issue. I was making an ironic point about some fascists making rich pickings out of articles in anti-fascist magazines such as Searchlight, which you seem to have missed. I don't know what Bragg is worth, but I doubt he could pay this sum "relatively easily". He's no multi-million platinum selling, world renowned artist is he? More Woody Woodpecker, than Guthrie IMO.

Edit: I went out and bought his first record 'Life's a Riot with Spy Vs Spy', which ain't that bad - reached number 30 in the charts in 1984. Even went to see him on the "Red Wedge" tour at the local Trades Club (no Shea Stadium), but that was about it. The "Left Field" at Glastonbury and promoting HnH in his halcyon days. George Michael eat your heart out.

 

[Pickman's model]

What proof is there that the "Strong" marches are an EDL front?

shit turnout

 

[malatesta32]

What proof is there that the "Strong" marches are an EDL front?

many of them have EDL stuff on their facebook profiles (?) and the help for heroes/lee rigby thing are being used to make the EDL look respectable. we know various EDL figures are organising these around the country.

 

[Pickman's model]

But mainly the shit turnout's the clew

 

[malatesta32]

yeah i have heard no shows for several. mr bishie said 6 had turned out at brighton and denied they were EDL. honest guv!

 

[malatesta32]

anyone going to this PM me!
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2013/06/510741.html

 

[audiotech]

anyone going to this PM me!
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2013/06/510741.html

"Blood on the Streets" ended up as the title of a book, which I still have. Grim reading.

 

[butchersapron]

Reclaim Armed Forces day. Jesus christ.