EDL watch

[AKA pseudonym]

not hearing a lot about this protest so far....
hopefully we will have numbers..
still reckon we should meet n greet them at that weatherspoons pub?

 

[butchersapron]

prejudices held about people based on race which may not involve name calling or dog shit going through letter boxes?

thought crimes. fair enough.

Is that you agreeing with me? It's hard to tell.

 

[Citizen66]

Is that you agreeing with me? It's hard to tell.

Yes. That's me conceding.

 

[butchersapron]

Yes. That's me conceding.

Sweet. Pint of stowford press then ta

 

[Corax]

The Nazi's forfeit

Is that when they have to eat a bagel and kiss a communist?

 

[Corax]

we are free, remember it.

*hollow laugh*

 

[Citizen66]

Sweet. Pint of stowford press then ta

On this occasion only. I'd be fucking skint if it cost me a pint every time I was wrong.

 

[J Ed]

More absolutely uncritical press coverage of the EDL from the BBC.

 

[audiotech]

Bit about the charity great, but why are you celebrating protestors being banned?, next time it could you and your cohorts..

"The “three month ban” on blackshirt marches in the East End was renewed every three months between 1936 and the outbreak of war in 1939. Anti-fascists consistently found themselves on the receiving end of police brutality as the ban was extended to all “extremist” activity."

Source

 

[SpineyNorman]

More absolutely uncritical press coverage of the EDL from the BBC.

WTF is going on with that? Even the fucking Daily Heil don't give them an easy ride like that.

 

[comrade spurski]

Fuck em all day long, yea sure, but be warey of who you "allow" the right to protest. I may think EDL and nazi fucks are a load of cunts, but I would defend their rights to be cunts all day long. You can not ban a protest cos it might be unpopular. Just as you can not ban a counter demo against an unpopular demo. That's just fucked up, and is a dangerous road to go down. we are free, remember it.

I didn't ask the state to ban shit mate...simply said I don't give a fuck that their march was banned...as for all being free I am afraid I do not believe the nazis have rights as they wish to exterminate everyone who aint a nazi

 

[comrade spurski]

I'm afraid I didn't understand this response...went over my head I think

 

[J Ed]

I don't know. It's like there has been some sort of directive at the BBC to legitimise the group over the past couple of weeks, I feel like I should put on a tin foil hat but it seems like the state is building them up, and that's following Anjem Choudrey being put on the BBC over and over again following Woolwich.

 

[comrade spurski]

I certainly wouldnt defend their right to be cunts, but the state only ever acts in the interest of maintaining the status quo. The state does not allow or ban things because of "good" and "evil" it allows or bans things that are expediant for it to allow or ban at the time.

I did say that I understand this logic but I just can not drum up any thing that resembles giving a fuck about them having their demo banned

 

[butchersapron]

More absolutely uncritical press coverage of the EDL from the BBC.

They've just been mugged - look at the people reading it out. The fund got 6 grand. So what? Why are you freaking out about this?

 

[comrade spurski]

Flabby state/stage liberal anti-fascism at its very best.

I don't get your point...I said I don't give a shit that they had their march banned...I never called for them to be banned
surely if my not giving a fuck makes me a flabby state liberal anti fascist then then presumerably "real anti fascists" are up in arms and complaining at the ban....If I had defended the ban or argued for it then I would have got your point.

 

[J Ed]

They've just been mugged - look at the people reading it out. The fund got 6 grand. So what? Why are you freaking out about this?

Can you really not see the problem here? They are talking to him and about the EDL as if it were a normal political party or group. This would never have happened on the BBC re: the BNP.

 

[butchersapron]

Can you really not see the problem here? They are talking to him and about the EDL as if it were a normal political party or group. This would never have happened on the BBC re: the BNP.

No i can't. And if i could i wouldnt be suggesting that regional stations had been ordered to go easy as part of a pro-edl plot. Take a grip on yourself. ffs.

 

[butchersapron]

Can you really not see the problem here? They are talking to him and about the EDL as if it were a normal political party or group. This would never have happened on the BBC re: the BNP.

If you think the state has moved the edl into play..oh god i'm not doing this...

 

[Citizen66]

I don't think he is saying that. But making it 'newsworthy' puts them on the map more than they need to be, yes? It gives them the opportunity to posture as caring victims. On television.

 

[J Ed]

No i can't. And if i could i wouldnt be suggesting that regional stations had been ordered to go easy as part of a pro-edl plot. Take a grip on yourself. ffs.

Okay, grip taken, I'm happy to concede that this is all based on speculation and the fact that I may have read a bit too much Cold War history this week but...

Do you not think that the BBC's coverage of the EDL has changed dramatically over the past month both in tone and quantity? It's something that I've noticed, and others have too. If you agree, then why do you think that it has changed so dramatically?

 

[butchersapron]

I don't think that it has. Look at the list of shame of people moaning. This is rubbish j.

 

[Corax]

Okay, grip taken, I'm happy to concede that this is all based on speculation and the fact that I may have read a bit too much Cold War history this week but...

Do you not think that the BBC's coverage of the EDL has changed dramatically over the past month both in tone and quantity? It's something that I've noticed, and others have too. If you agree, then why do you think that it has changed so dramatically?

For my 2 cents I agree that it seems to have shifted a bit. But personally I find it far more likely that it's the result of an editorial decisions in light of UKIP, Woolwich, and what their focus groups tell them is the 'public mood', than any nefarious influence by the government.

 

[audiotech]

Good grief, just came across this, with Tom Jackson Gen Sec of the then postal workers union (UPW) with handlebar mustache. I spoke to him just before he sold us out in 1971:

 

[Red Storm]

What years that picture from?

 

[audiotech]

Not sure, but I'd hazard a guess, early to mid 1970's.

Tom Jackson's obituary.

Edit: Contrary to that obit linked to, telephonists (mostly women) gave tremendous support to the strike. It was post office engineers (all male) who refused to support, which was crucial to the dispute. It never came.

 

[malatesta32]

judging by the rupert the bear flares on the guy 2nd from right, that is the 1970s!

 

[audiotech]

No i can't. And if i could i wouldnt be suggesting that regional stations had been ordered to go easy as part of a pro-edl plot. Take a grip on yourself. ffs.

Like this bit of irony from the Weekly Worker:

The BBC has clearly been infiltrated by peculiarly devious and media-savvy football casuals...

Oxygen of Stupidity

 

[audiotech]

judging by the rupert the bear flares on the guy 2nd from right, that is the 1970s!

Bloody 'ell, the guy third from right looks suspiciously like Frank 'Baron of Hoxton' Chapple, then of the EETPU (electricians union), sat next to Joan Lester, who he would have avoided by a mile in later years. Len(in) Murray, then Gen Sec of the TUC, there too and Merlyn Rees. Could be described as the 'then left moving right show'.

 

[malatesta32]

got to applaud the dude for such a spenldid muzzer! but the rest of em look very square daddio!