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Happen as maybe, but their supposed image problem doesn't appear to be causing widespread revulsion as one might expect.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
I think we all need to calm down a bit. Give it a few weeks to die down. They may keep a small amount from this support but I forecast it'll be a very small amount....
....and then we'll be back to it's decline again...
...hopefully!
....and then we'll be back to it's decline again...
...hopefully!
Limerick Red
Мы вас похороним!
I think the point on this is, Tommy has essentially being given a chance to have another go, the leadership fucked up hard again and again over the last 12 months, now Tommy is alot of things but he's not a stupid boy, ya would presume he has learnt something from the mistakes. Thats not to say the underlining tensions and splits have gone away, but if he can replace these with new members, and bring back in the people who fell away early last time, I think they could stop the rot. Probably wont be able to maintain the numbers we have seen in the last week, but their certainly in a much better place then they were last Wednesday.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yes, i believe that the edl do intend to do a few of them. What are your plans?
Why does it have to be them?
Why can't we get people together to march against them from all different backgrounds?
Even if it was just a one off. It would be good to show some solidarity in the face of this growing threat.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
As i asked, what are your plans?
Corax
Luke 5:16
There's really not any point Oswald, they pose no political threat.
Great username btw. I've got you down for another 24 hours max.
You fash cunt.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
Not the best satire i've ever seen.
You have angered us greatly. Fucking hell.
tbf though, no one who's trying to build an organisation at least partly via online presence ( eg : EDL 'local branches' etc ) will enjoy having Anon on their case - the likes of the little dude above and his mates getting busy present more of a challenge than a tightly choreographed UAF wingding ever could.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Your protests against 'this growing threat'.
Nothing, I'm not leadership material.
I just hope that eventually religion will die out. Much better world without it all.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
All there is is donations and public facebook likes though isn't there? And to be honest, i don't care about someone going after them for that stuff - it's their nonsense about angering the mighty anon gods. It's all a bit:
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Let me guess, you're 19 - living in halls, first time living away from home?
Just thought it was pretty satirical in nature.
Guess my penchant for humour doesn't rub off on others.
Nope. 23, no job, not much going on.
Corax
Luke 5:16
Nah, it's because you're a cunt isn't it? At least stand by your convictions pal!
Well there's that also I suppose.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
I'm in agreement with your point on this (as well as understanding the dangers of complacency that come from pretending that all your opponents are idiots and don't need anything more than ridicule to keep them in check) - but in recent times how have the NF in the 80's and later BNP been knocked back into obscurity? Do you have examples of engagement working to any large degree?
The BNP seemed to be defeated by being marginalised - and leaks of the membership list and resulting witch hunts was probably a fairly heavy blow and disincentive to people to stand with them, assisted by Griffin's clowning about and various corruption and incompetancy.
However, my thoughts are that the BNP collapse seemed to be a defeat of that 'brand' and organisation - not the attitudes and issues behind their growth - and maybe the EDL is just a new flag the same shit is attaching to. Is it enough just to defeat the organisations, and not the attitude? Is the philisophical battle an uneven one, seeing as it's really being fought against papers like the Daily Star/Express and various media gobshites who have a fairly powerful platform to spread lies and promote the latest bogeyman? Almost every conversation I've ever had about 'them' has always been a littany of tabloid bullshit about 'free houses for asylum seekers' and so on, including most recently allegations that Muslims could escape the bedroom tax by declaring a spare room as a prayer room, while good old white disabled folk were losing their homes with the rooms needed for their equipment. The divide and rule stuff works, it really does. How the hell do you counter it effectively?
Who's the we in this question anyway?
EDL has too many hardened racists and bigots amongst its core supporters to ever win over people from of "all different backgrounds" and it's been like that since it started. That puts people off, even people who might share some of the politics. The way they acted in London in the direct aftermath of this has put people off, for it's rank opportunism off the back of a heinous crime if nothing else. I don't doubt for a second that a non-violent, peaceful, non-racist (ie the things the EDL claims to be but isn't) political movement against violent islamists could get mass support in this country, but for the fact most people aren't impressed by the EDL stone island danny dyer bollocks. They'd rather vote UKIP.
Old fashioned dinosaur class politics. Building movements on the basis of shared material needs, things that are felt in common accross all communities, ethnicities and religions, sounds cheesy but it build solidarity between people and keeps communities from retreating into segregation. Acknolwedge that political correctness and liberal identity politics has been, over the last few decades, pretty ineffective at dealing with racism, and dealing with other grievances that aren't explicitly or necessarily racial in nature but end up becoming racialised because of this ineffectiveness. At all times, the growth of the far-right reflects the weakness of the left, that was true back in the 30's and it's true today.
Personally there aren't any Muslims where I live so it really doesn't effect me on a community level. I know a few Muslim people and they're friendly to me.
I would hate to live in Luton or Bradford or any of these other areas where you get a large Muslim population. I'm not sure if that's prejudiced or not but that's just how I feel. A good friend of mine lives in Bethnal Green and I feel uneasy just being there.
I understand why people are frightened of Islamic extremism. I hear about grooming gangs and the way in which towns get changed due to demographics and I would not like it if a large amount of Muslim people came to my town.
This is just my unbiased opinion as somebody who isn't involved in any of this stuff. I understand why people are scared and join the EDL.
Fuck off.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I'm thinking more of the type of people the edl target rather than the edl itself- and not really on the basis of defeating the edl as the primary aim of but construction/identification/puruist of shared class interests meaning that the edl and the sort of race based understandings they are a manifestation of are simply squeezed out, they have no space in which to grow and what does develop can then be tackled on a more classical basis but next time around with those they target lining up on the other side against them. First part is the recognition that this is needed and that signing uo for the sort of polarisation we've seen recently is only playing into their (the edl/the fundies/the state) hands. Feels like swimming against a very strong tide right now though.
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
Show me a town whose demographics have never changed
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