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[Das Uberdog]

i've been arguing the politics all the way through this, as opposed to your one line (often one word) 'responses' and your general cunt mentality.

and for the record i wasn't 'offering you out', i was just telling you that if your goal was to drive me mad then well done - you succeeded. let's just hope for your sake you don't have to actually face up to the ramifications eh?

 

[Proper Tidy]

and for the record i wasn't 'offering you out'

...

you'd be fun to twat

it'd be funny if you didn't genuinely want your head caving in

if you'd said what you've just told me a moment ago in person, i wouldn't have thought for a second before smashing your face in.

ha ha, seriously dickhead you should just hope our paths don't cross.

let's just hope for your sake you don't have to actually face up to the ramifications eh?

Lol. Fuck off you posh mug.

 

[Das Uberdog]

i'd have been offering you out if i'd ask for a time, place and date you pansy cunt. as it stands all i'm saying is that you'd be best keeping your fucking mouth shut if we end up within close personal proximity.

end.

 

[Proper Tidy]

you pansy cunt

"I'm proper working class, I can be homophobic, wanna fight"

You soppy cunt. I'll watch out for the swappie ninja next time I go to a demo shall I?

 

[Proper Tidy]

i'd ask for a time, place and date

Lol. Would you have challenged me to a duel?

 

[xes]

fucking hell ladies, sort your lives out

Or just get this scrap on the go, film it, and let us amuse oursleves by watching it. It's the only reasonable course of action.

 

[fiannanahalba]

Das will one be having Weyman and Martin as ones seconds?

Will there be coverage of this splendid duel in the sports pages of the Socialist Gentlemen Worker?

 

[manny-p]

i'd have been offering you out if i'd ask for a time, place and date you pansy cunt. as it stands all i'm saying is that you'd be best keeping your fucking mouth shut if we end up within close personal proximity.

end.

Let me get this right...you are threatening to kick someones head in because they are calling you middle class? Since your SWP I feel that you probably couldnt fight your way out of a wet paper bag.

 

[Crispy]

I realise this was all 6 hours ago and you're probably smoking a post-coital cigarette by now, but just in case you haven't kissed and made up: Das Uberdog, Proper Tidy - continuation of this blatantly over-the-line bullshit will result in an immediate ban. All told.

 

[Citizen66]

Thread starter helped derail his own work. Gone is the original (helpful) thread.

 

[Proper Tidy]

I realise this was all 6 hours ago and you're probably smoking a post-coital cigarette by now, but just in case you haven't kissed and made up: Das Uberdog, Proper Tidy - continuation of this blatantly over-the-line bullshit will result in an immediate ban. All told.

Oh come on, I didn't offer anybody out. I must object.

 

[Citizen66]

i'd have been offering you out if [blah blah ...]

This rings bells!

I'm still waiting for you to show some bollocks here btw.

Interpretation: It will never happen.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

I realise this was all 6 hours ago and you're probably smoking a post-coital cigarette by now, but just in case you haven't kissed and made up: Das Uberdog, Proper Tidy - continuation of this blatantly over-the-line bullshit will result in an immediate ban. All told.

Without having followed the row blow for blow, that sort of silly spat seems a natural consquence of the air of inquisition and oneupmanship on too many threads. It's called "EDL Watch" and serves a good function. People come here to report and discuss what that group are up to and about. But then out come the straw men that people are "just" calling them racists, thick or whatever when they aint, or that they dont understand or apply class analysis when they can and do. People point and sneer at people for pointing, sneering and not being in possession of a precise analysis which the accusers themselves are very slow to lay out.

Discussing the EDL on a thread to discuss the EDL just isnt enough. Everyone must have a politically approved workable, actioned solution or they are just a worthless piece of shit who understands nothing. Not that the self appointed experts who convey this attitude neccesarily demonstrate their own workable actioned solutions, but that's just detail. And why let detail get in the way of a good sneer? Any fash reading it would fall over themselves laughing.

 

[Citizen66]

You're as guilty of disrupting this thread as the best of 'em.

 

[PlaidDragon]

i'd have been offering you out if i'd ask for a time, place and date you pansy cunt. as it stands all i'm saying is that you'd be best keeping your fucking mouth shut if we end up within close personal proximity.

end.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

You're as guilty of disrupting this thread as the best of 'em.

I post some links and stuff and get endless inquisitions from people which I try to answer honestly, which is probably a mistake because things go round in circles from there.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Newcastle SWP, amongst others, is currently fucked - they can't hold a public meeting which the EDL aren't Ok with - because every time they do they get battered.

Like to get back on track after the handbags at dawn and all that..

How accurate is the quote above? As far as I have heard there was the disruption of one meeting in Newcastle and no one was "battered". It's on video. The EDL were mobbed up but didn't resort to violence. They asked questions and the meeting walked out. If people have been battered and meetings violently attacked then that would be a new developement. Confirm please.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Who's making the claim AO? i.e where is the quote from?

 

[Anudder Oik]

Here is the reply in post 1094 where the claim is made

what a fucking illiterate understanding of ideology. i thought the re-emergence of Gramsci had given us all a bit more of a nuanced understanding of political culture and power. and i thought that the lessons of the 20th century had taught the left a little bit more about bare essential survival tactics.

yes, the left isn't dealing with these issues as it ought to, but placing the entire blame of an emerging far right on the failures of the left to challenge capitalism is just 3rd period Stalinism. the issue is that the cultural and the material actually intermingle, and regardless of the left's effectiveness at combatting poverty and deprivation, if we fail to win the cultural arguments then the fasc can still move, they can still gather support.

not to mention that the far right voids rational debate by indulging in people's emotions and skews notions of reality by pandering to their base cultural prejudices. not only do the left have to be actively culturally engaging with chauvanism on a cultural level, we also have to understand that beyond a point the only way to operate is to physically secure our position. Newcastle SWP, amongst others, is currently fucked - they can't hold a public meeting which the EDL aren't Ok with - because every time they do they get battered. EDL have, as posted just above, recently been attacking Labour Party offices, broadening out their political grievances to those with the broader left.

when i go back home to Lancs there are masses of kids marching home from school every day chanting E-E-EDL. my sister is friends with Muslim kids at the same school, where they're constantly harrassed and abused. a few weeks ago a large bunch of 15 'EDL' lads were threatening to rip off her friend's hijab. the last political stall the SWP did in my town was collared by two massive Nazis - in every pub you go in on a Friday/Saturday night there's always a fucking rowdy EDL contingent mouthing off their chants. perhaps Lancs is out of the ordinary, but they're taking this place by storm. fuck housing shortages, they've been bad for ages and we never had this situation 3 years ago. what the EDL have allowed to develop is a widespread and popular culture of thuggish bullying towards minority communities. you and butchers can fuck right off with your dismissive cuntery.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Tx for that.

 

[Das Uberdog]

i think a couple of people have been roughed around a bit on a couple of occasions now, but thus far serious force hasn't been necessary to break the meeting up as there's been nothing in the way of resistance.

but basically, if the EDL dislike a Newcastle SWP meeting enough to turn up, then it doesn't happen.

 

[Citizen66]

I bet they rue the day they expelled the squads.

 

[manny-p]

I bet they rue the day they expelled the squads.

Im glad the squadists went their seperate way. They are better off without the SWP. Although shame they got so pally with the Republicans and their dead end politics.

 

[Anudder Oik]

i think a couple of people have been roughed around a bit on a couple of occasions now, but thus far serious force hasn't been necessary to break the meeting up as there's been nothing in the way of resistance.

but basically, if the EDL dislike a Newcastle SWP meeting enough to turn up, then it doesn't happen.

So no one has been "battered"? Gotta be careful to avoid being alarmist.

And as for the SWP rueing the day they expelled the squads. I don't think they'll be doing it again, not because they have learned a lesson or anything but because I doubt they have any blue collar wc in their ranks to expell. Lets just say their middle class/academic cadre don't have the aggresive conditioning that many wc grow up with.

In the 70's it was different. They recruited blue collar through the many strikes. People who became revolutionaries thru struggle rather than thru theory and personal rebelliousness as do many of the middle class cadre.

UAF/SWP must surely look like a soft target for the EDL but they have shown surprising restraint up till now considering that Bullies love weaker victims.

Is this the calm before the storm?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

They reckon they are going to protest 4 hours a day for a month outside a Blackburn KFC. That's some commitment, why dont these keen AR vegan activists get along to an ALF Gathering as well?

 

[manny-p]

And as for the SWP rueing the day they expelled the squads. I don't think they'll be doing it again, not because they have learned a lesson or anything but because I doubt they have any blue collar wc in their ranks to expell. Lets just say their middle class/academic cadre don't have the aggresive conditioning that many wc grow up with.

In the 70's it was different. They recruited blue collar through the many strikes. People who became revolutionaries thru struggle rather than thru theory and personal rebelliousness as do many of the middle class cadre.

This.

 

[DotCommunist]

So no one has been "battered"? Gotta be careful to avoid being alarmist.

And as for the SWP rueing the day they expelled the squads. I don't think they'll be doing it again, not because they have learned a lesson or anything but because I doubt they have any blue collar wc in their ranks to expell. Lets just say their middle class/academic cadre don't have the aggresive conditioning that many wc grow up with.

In the 70's it was different. They recruited blue collar through the many strikes. People who became revolutionaries thru struggle rather than thru theory and personal rebelliousness as do many of the middle class cadre.

UAF/SWP must surely look like a soft target for the EDL but they have shown surprising restraint up till now considering that Bullies love weaker victims.

Is this the calm before the storm?

numbers game perhaps. Outnumbered is still outnumbered even if your opposition is all UAF stereotype student effete etc.

 

[Das Uberdog]

it's also difficult to recruit a load of kids who've signed up against Islam to broaden out their scope into trashing UAF/SWP meetings... in their 'active' branches they seem to keep their 'activist' schedule busy with small scale publicity stunts and weird shit like that Blackburn anti-Halal protest.

 

[manny-p]

it's also difficult to recruit a load of kids who've signed up against Islam to broaden out their scope into trashing UAF/SWP meetings... in their 'active' branches they seem to keep their 'activist' schedule busy with small scale publicity stunts and weird shit like that Blackburn anti-Halal protest.

Are you in the SWP? If so explain please.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Below is the Code Of Conduct again. Appreciate thoughts. In my politically geeky way I think it is interesting because of

1) the blatant unapologetic and unjustified authoritarianism.

2) The fact that hoards of keyboard warriors and people on demos are breaching this code all the time with racism and threats of violence, thus the lack of discipline in an organisation that proclaims supreme discipline - funny if nothing else.

3) The EDL discussions of it reveal, as one might suspect, that the willing adherents are very keen in their unquestioning allegience. Hardly a suprise in itself, but good evidence of the dupe mindset of the lower echelons in the organisation.


Due to the mighty progression of the English Defence League over the past year we have had to put certain things in place. The new RO structure is now up and running and although there have been a few teething problems seems to be starting to work well. The leadership now feel it is time to introduce a small code of conduct that it expects members to follow. The below code of conduct has been drafted by the EDL leadership and it is expected that all true members would agree with it and adhere to it. All such movements have a similar code that they are expected to follow. The code of conduct is applicable at all levels of the EDL from leadership down. Should any members disagreewith the code then this can be for no other reason than they want to destroy the EDL movement and halt its rapid progression, and are therefore not welcome. If you are unhappy with certain factors of the CoC then feel free to raise these with your division leaders and Regional Organisers for discussion.



1) No member shall act to the detriment of the E D L movement / organisation and bring its members into disrepute. In particular, members shall at all times, refrain from Public or private attacks on the competence, reputation and honour of any other members of the E D L movement of organisation. Any threats of physical or verbal abuse will be met by the removal of said party/s from the movement if found to have any substance of truth.



2) Mutual Assistance. Members shall assist each other in every practical way. Members shall conduct themselves respectfully towards their fellow members and the E D L movement. Members are reminded that any information which may come to them in the course of their work / endeavours is privileged information and WILL be treated with confidentiality, and are asked to communicate with a third party without authority. They shall require those assisting them in their work to be similarly bound. No member shall disclose at anytime privileged or personal information about other members.



3) In making Public statements ain in their contact with the media, members must always be vigilant about the fact they are E D L and anything that they may convey to the media will be taken as a formal statement and construed as a representation of the entire E D L movement, one should act accordingly with the utmost integrity, dignity and above all professionalism.



4) No member of the E D L shall make any personal gains from any information that has come to them due to their work / endeavours for, or on behalf of the E D L movement. No E D L member mat accept monies from any parties whatsoever during the carrying out of their work / endeavours for the E D L. Excluded will be personal expenses or monies paid out by members personally.



5) All members must adhere to the correct chain of command, this must be observed at ALL times. Any complaints, queries of problems MUST be filtered through the correct channels i.e. division leaders & regional organisers, at no point mat any member supersede this chain of command. If a complaint is made about another’s member’s conduct through these channels in no way shall anyone intimidate or retaliate against that person/s that has made the complaint.



6) Any person/s found/proven to be in breach of this constitution would face a potential disciplinary hearing consisting of all the relevant regional organisers and division leaders as well as leadership. A decision would then be made on the person/s future with the E D L. Leadership reserve the right to have the final resolution in the said matter.



7) All members signing & agreeing to this said document also swear allegiance to the ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE, to its members, leadership and infrastructure present and future. Any person/s found committing any acts of treachery knowingly and contravening this Constitution will be disciplined according to the Constitution, if found guilty, removed from the E D L organisation with immediate and forever boycotted from and all contact from all E D L members and the E D L movement itself in whole.