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If i could be arsed i would look back and check but he's defo up in the next few months for the mortgage Fraud thing.
 
But when Lennon arrived at New York's JFK Airport, customs officials took his fingerprints and realised he was not travelling on his own passport.

Lennon was asked to attend a second interview but managed to leave the airport, entering the US illegally.
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How the fuck did he manage to get through US customs on a false passport after they'd sussed him? I thought they were supposed to be pretty tough.
 
So is Paul Harris his actual name then? Seems very strange to alter his name to Tommy Robinson from Stephen Yaxley-Lennon if the latter isn't actually his name either.

Why not just call himself something common like Mohammed Mukhtar? it's like veil-face Guess Who.
 
Citizen66 said:
So is Paul Harris his actual name then? Seems very strange to alter his name to Tommy Robinson from Stephen Yaxley-Lennon if the latter isn't actually his name either.
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Altering it to Tommy Robinson doesn't really seem strange for the leader of The EDL (it sounds a bit more "street" than Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) but I do wonder why S.Y.L. in the first place. Didn't he fancy himself as a property entrepreneur for a bit? Perhaps he thought a double barrelled surname might give him some credibility.

Either way he's got some identity issues in lots of senses.
 
keybored said:
Altering it to Tommy Robinson doesn't really seem strange for the leader of The EDL (it sounds a bit more "street" than Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) but I do wonder why S.Y.L. in the first place. Didn't he fancy himself as a property entrepreneur for a bit? Perhaps he thought a double barrelled surname might give him some credibility.

Either way he's got some identity issues in lots of senses.
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The more I see, the more I think, security services intelligence operative. Its the job of our intelligence services to be at the centre of these organisations knowing what they are doing in advance and I doubt theres an extremist or subversive organisation out there without tbe security services snooping about. I think EDL is just a honeypot

Who has so many aliases, have you ever met anyone in your life who uses more than two?

How do you sail through customs having just been caught using an illegal passport and taken to a holding area? Who goes to America for one day?

Its too bizarre
 
The British Far Right, when not plagued by outright incompetence, is usually found to be heavily infiltrated by the State. The instances that prove this as hard fact are not far away. Charlie Sargeant and the whole C18 debacle is a prime example. Also, Matthew Collins' book "Hate" (although treated with caution) showed the various characters of the NF, BNP, C18 along with B+H to be the sort of people who (when not trying to sort out their bizarre or destructive personal lives) were busy crying on the telephone to Searchlight/The Cops and stitching up their comrades.

The EDL is just the same. If you wait another five or so years the "insiders" will more than likely come out of the woodwork ready to spill the beans.

Malatesta's comment above about certain groups or individuals having no true convictions is spot on. It's a bit like the Nuremburg trials, where as soon as these supposedly avowed National Socialists were looking at the hangman's noose it was suddenly all the fault of that nasty man with the funny mustache and had nothing to do with them.
 
getting a passport in your own name is hard enough! the paul harris one has been knocking about for ages. the judge admitted that tommy wasn't using his own name. the SYL name is a weird choice but yes, he was trying to be an entrepeneur - which all collapsed by the way. the property thing is part of the mortgage fraud and his tanning salon was liquidated (?) and he resigned from being the MD a couple of years ago, coincidentally just as EDL was growing. most of the EDL who have been up in court bottle it and disavow their politics. robinson is no exception. also having been thru JFK airport just 'running out of a door' sounds very unlikely. i am not one for conspiracy theories but after the 1st EDL scottish debacle, they were all nicked by SB and robinson was taken to sheffield - why sheffield? this was before the world cup and plod were obviously fishing for info on nazis and hooligans. this is where the grass accusations came from. if you look at his criminal record, its pretty extensive, so being compromised by plod into giving info is not a wild accusation. the whole thing reeks. also notice that kkkev is now leader of the fluffies having realised the gig is up and distancing himself. tommy is going to be left with a seriously depleted EDL on release.
 
But still barmy - the edl formed to put cameron in power because Brown was leading in the polls at the time (he wasn't, the tories had a solid double figure lead, reaching 20% in the month that negotiations must have taken place to form the edl - these things need to be got right) and the iraq and afghan invasions and occupations had helped spark off a left-wing resurgence that was offering the state a serious challenge - and recent edl decline due to them being wound down with their aim successfully achieved, Cameron elected and this left-wing nightmare averted.

Paranoid and fact free (or simply wrong - the northern league allusion is simply bonkers) clearly trying to force old actions, things that did actually happen (i.e far-right street groups being established and manipulated for various ends) and inflating small things into contemporary national plans of action. There clearly are some questions to asked and there equally clearly the same old shit as before is going on (and one thing the article gets right is that you can be sure as anything that the opposition are facing the same problems) but it will be on the same basis and level - personal or factions of the services initiative, not as part of a centrally directed national or international operation, initiatives that may be driven by anti-criminal rather than political agendas. I don't even recognise the social reality that this article suggest provoked the security services formation of the edl - the need to destroy "opposition to British Foreign Policy amongst the working classes." for example.

edit: on reflection i think it may well just be a piss-take.
 
Doesnt exactly stand up to scrutiny does it? The political aspects of those conspiracy theories are laughable in every sense. I agree that the lower-level routine practical stuff is probably where the action has been, but thats just not exciting enough for people to construct wacky tales with.

I do not see the point in even trying to construct such tales, not in a country where very little political capital was made out of terror attacks. The stakes are too high for those sort of games.
 
elbows said:
Doesnt exactly stand up to scrutiny does it? The political aspects of those conspiracy theories are laughable in every sense. I agree that the lower-level routine practical stuff is probably where the action has been, but thats just not exciting enough for people to construct wacky tales with.
I do not see the point in even trying to construct such tales, not in a country where very little political capital was made out of terror attacks. The stakes are too high for those sort of games.
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What do you know about gladio and the relationship between the nato stay behinds and far right groups during the cold war? That isnt conspiracy theory, its a matter of historical fact. The military security services have shown they will use far right groups in the past, across europe.

Take a look at what is happening in Germany, state security are very heavily involved the far right.

You say little political capital gain was made from the terror attacks, yet we still swapped freedom for security. Lots of security gains from those attacks, restrictions on freedom, internationally connected surveillence infrastructure.

Ill be very surprised if the EDL isnt found to be a military intelligence led or instigated affair.
 
Then compare the situation in post-war Europe and the balance of international forces and global motivations with the situation in this country today. What do you see?

The ploy of saying that something happened in the past so any claim you may like to throw around today is therefore true and not worthy of any critical scrutiny is not going to work here.
 
pardon said:
You say little political capital gain was made from the terror attacks, yet we still swapped freedom for security. Lots of security gains from those attacks, restrictions on freedom, internationally connected surveillence infrastructure.
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That agenda had long been under way and was sponsored by technological evolution & the military industrial complex as much as anything.
 
pardon said:
What do you know about gladio and the relationship between the nato stay behinds and far right groups during the cold war? That isnt conspiracy theory, its a matter of historical fact. The military security services have shown they will use far right groups in the past, across europe.

Take a look at what is happening in Germany, state security are very heavily involved the far right.
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I'm not an expert on it, but I know about it.

There is a world of difference between the politics of that stuff and what we have seen so far this century. The sorts of stupid conspiracies mentioned in that article would be served by building a right-wing force that was actually effective in some way, rather than the arse-end of things we have seen from the EDL, a sponge soaking up the counterproductive bumbling forces that nobody would want fighting for their cause.
 
I'm not going to necessarily conclude that the whole EDL affair is a State construct. That's something we may have to wait for. However, we can be pretty certain that once they were up and running and gaining some media attention approaches would have been made to pay certain people off, put pressure on them or insert their own undercover agents.

I think it's a fair assessment that if a handful of Eco fluffies get infiltrated and righteously shafted (such as outlined in the Mark Stone affair), then you can bet the EDL are no exception.

Again, if I were to start making leaps of logic at this point and alleging that it was all a set up connected to the shadowy machinations of Westminster then I'd be indeed over-reaching myself. But the fact that even very recent examples of State manipulation exist then it's essentially still food for thought and not to be dismissed so easily or naively.
 
butchersapron said:
The ploy of saying that something happened in the past so any claim you may like to throw around today is therefore true and not worthy of any critical scrutiny is not going to work here.
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Have we had a "qui bono?" yet?

If not, may I short-circuit this side-track? :)
 
Is this all going to end like Alan Bleasdale's GBH with Tommy/Stephen/Paul and Uncle Kev reverting to their original plummy Oxbridge accents as they depart Luton - job done - for another mission?

Nah... :p
 
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