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[frogwoman]

Oh, to be blinded by middle class social prejudice.

yep.

i know lots of people like this who say this sort of shit without thinking.

 

[frogwoman]

Oh, to be blinded by middle class social prejudice.

being working class means you're a thick racist. didnt you get the memo? oh yes, you dont have memos where you work lol

 

[butchersapron]

People all over the world through history, in financial circumstances ranging from as bad to even much worse, have improved their level of knowledge.

Ignorance is just as much an attitude as a level of knowledge. It is one that is somewhat celebrated in materialist culture.

Capitalism could be said to encourage it in that any knowledge not useful for capital isn't really that useful at all, and possibly dangerous. So if your niche interest will help get you a niche job, that's cool but otherwise the pleasure and activity related to it are likely to consume less material commodities and/or rack up less debt than if you were more unfulfilled from not carrying it or something similar out.

Note that the capitalists are charging as much as they can direct for Higher Ed. It is being presented as an expensive thing now, but that should only underline their disdain for it and not draw us into any trap of linking education / self improvement too much to class.

The populist right loves to scorn at educated "liberal/lefties" and the like. If the right celebrates and encourages ignorance let us not at least make too many excuses for it.

Celebrating self improvement/education in the working class is core to many traditional views of socialism - I don't think they were/are arguing that there is an income/employment barrier to them.

There are obstacles of course, especially in childhood IMO. They are obvious and vastly worsened by the disgusting closure of libraries and Adult Ed due to our ignorant and criminal government, to assist their ongoing facilitation of the biggest heist in history.

But it is still generally far easier to learn something than to make money, especially in this climate.

So it is really not in the same league as your "benefits scroungers" point and the "cunt" jibe is extra needless.

So while they are factors, it is far less poverty or class that dumbs society down than it is culture, specifically capitalist culture founded chiefly on materialism and sensationalism.

he amount of shit being poured on claimants at the moment is vile of course, and worsening, so I can see why you are angry.

Malatesta was not at that level. I am on benefits now and am not offended by what he said.

You sound like david starkey.

 

[cantsin]

Aberdeen's ASC are Tottenham's friends north of the border.

asc and spurs firm run togthether, but in the days of the '2 team wooly hats', there was more spurs / rangers than either or celtic or asc, prob partly due to arsenal / irish etc

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

You sound like david starkey.

David Starkey rants about the vapid and vile nature of capitalism while claiming benefits and suggesting Mal isn't a cunt?

That would be a story.

Still, a snide swipe is easier than dealing with the points made, doesn't need to be founded in truth.

Perhaps you don't think the less economically fortunate are capable of learning stuff, and just need to make it clearer for us.

While Ireland was under brutal repression, and people on this island fed all sorts of elitist racist shit about them, people used to risk their very lives learning their own language and culture in the "hedge schools".

Oh sorry, that can't be right. They were working class. It must be made up. It's as hard for them to be educated as it is to find work when there is none, and Mal is a cunt.

 

[butchersapron]

Every post a hole.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

It's probably something to do with my lazy prole ignorance but I can't even be arsed to read that.

You do seem to think the working class is as prone to ignorance as to poverty and unemployment in a recession. Why is that?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Every post a hole.

Is finding about things as hard as finding an appropriate job in a depression?

 

[butchersapron]

even in the barmy english sumer theres no time too be lost in saving ourselves from the muslamic hoards!​

yet evil lefties are all ways an obsticle​

have you seen theese left wing places online say so called “racism” is bad and good english patriots like edl is racist and fashist?​

some even have NERVE to laugh at EDL and mr lennon who is never wrong and therefour inflammable​

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

the simple fact is this: being uneduated does not make you fash. being stupid does not make you fash. not knowing about elizabethan madrigals or whatever the fuck does not make you fash.

why don't you attack them on their politics? otherwise you end up insulting and demoralising whole swathes of people who have not had the same opportunities as you have had, but may hate the fascist cunts as much as you do.

Of course, my point to SN had nothing directly to do with fascism or the EDL at all, but of his placing ignorance among the working class ignorance in the same ballpark as working class joblessness/poverty. If he/we happened to be talking about racism and bigotry among people who are middle class (or at least might think it) I could spout off about that as well.

But people have been so keen to see bigotry where there isn't any that they fall over themselves and essentially defend it with liberal contorsions that are as wrong as they are patronising.

 

[butchersapron]

You do need to shut up now.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

even in the barmy english sumer theres no time too be lost in saving ourselves from the muslamic hoards!​

yet evil lefties are all ways an obsticle​

have you seen theese left wing places online say so called “racism” is bad and good english patriots like edl is racist and fashist?​

some even have NERVE to laugh at EDL and mr lennon who is never wrong and therefour inflammable​

Is finding about things as hard as getting an appropriate job in a recession? Is that 2 or 3 times you've wantonly ignored the question?

I make the first paragraph about 80+% correct spelling with a reasonable vocabulary as it happens. Perhaps your arithmetic and experience of teaching young people and adults in deprived areas differs from mine.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

People see what they want to see it seems. When someone laughs at a stupid racist for being stupid it must mean that they never criticise / deconstruct the politics or the racism (even if they do, facts are beside the point)

It also means they are doing it on the basis of the stupid racist's economic status.

A pastiche using statistically reasonable-ish spelling and broad-ish vocab is an attack on spelling and vocabulary.

Someone who knows how hard it is to find work in a depression and doesn't see a need to patronise and belittle his own class, well that's like David Starkey that is.

 

[butchersapron]

Has anyone ever mistaken you for Chris Morris?

 

[butchersapron]

Is finding about things as hard as getting an appropriate job in a recession? Is that 2 or 3 times you've wantonly ignored the question?

I make the first paragraph about 80+% correct spelling with a reasonable vocabulary as it happens. Perhaps your arithmetic and experience of teaching young people and adults in deprived areas differs from mine.

Just convert, get it over with.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

oh yes, you dont have memos where you work lol

Three years ago I met some academic fool in Sheffield who, when first meeting me, was 'normal' in her greetings and conversation, until she discovered my occupation. Then she started talking to me really s-l-o-w-l-y. To my bemusement and with me admittedly being quite offended, I humoured her thinking that it's inconceivable an unskilled manual worker has the inclination or capacity for higher learning, even by those informal and dare I say healthy avenues which have historically been very much a part of the working class and socialism. We're also up against shit like this.

 

[_angel_]

Three years ago I met some academic fool in Sheffield who, when first meeting me, was 'normal' in her greetings and conversation, until she discovered my occupation. Then she started talking to me really s-l-o-w-l-y. To my bemusement and with me admittedly being quite offended, I humoured her thinking that it's inconceivable an unskilled manual worker has the inclination or capacity for higher learning, even by those informal and dare I say healthy avenues which have historically been very much a part of the working class and socialism. We're also up against shit like this.

If you're female, blonde, young with big tits you get this regardless from men.

 

[SpineyNorman]

You do seem to think the working class is as prone to ignorance as to poverty and unemployment in a recession. Why is that?

You're an idiot. I was taking the piss out of your barely concealed class prejudice. I don't think it's controversial, outside your daft liberal circles, to point out that reduced educational opportunities have consequences.

 

[malatesta32]

No it's not - you should know better.

were you captain of the debating team at the special school. hey i can do abuse over argument too!

 

[_angel_]

were you captain of the debating team at the special school. hey i can do abuse over argument too!

This gets better.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Is finding about things as hard as getting an appropriate job in a recession? Is that 2 or 3 times you've wantonly ignored the question?

I make the first paragraph about 80+% correct spelling with a reasonable vocabulary as it happens. Perhaps your arithmetic and experience of teaching young people and adults in deprived areas differs from mine.

If a working class person is uneducated it's their own fault. This is your position, right? Just to be clear.

 

[SpineyNorman]

were you captain of the debating team at the special school. hey i can do abuse over argument too!

Now he thinks suggesting I have special needs is acceptable as an insult. Brilliant.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

You're an idiot. I was taking the piss out of your barely concealed class prejudice. I don't think it's controversial, outside your daft liberal circles, to point out that reduced educational opportunities have consequences.

But which should not be a barrier to participating in progressive politics, on their/our terms. Not the Madrigalists.

 

[_angel_]

If a working class person is uneducated it's their own fault. This is your position, right? Just to be clear.

Ill fitting suit territory.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

If you're female, blonde, young with big tits you get this regardless from men.

When the right opportunity has presented itself, though, I have on occasion relished humiliating, nay, destroying with words those middle class idiots who think in such a way.

I'm a petty man.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Me too - the best ones are where they claim to be all worldly and wise though. I had a snotty nosed public school type tell me I needed to get into the real world once during a conversation about benefits, with him claiming they were too generous and provided a disincentive to people "standing on their own two feet". When I pointed out that he'd never even had a job, let alone stood on his own two feet, and that I wondered what such a person had to say about the real world to someone who by his age had been crawling through industrial ovens for two years he went a bit red in the face. I lol'd, as did everyone else there.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Oh, to be blinded by middle class social prejudice.

I'd rather be blinded by the flames given out by a burning Palace of Westminster, if it's all the same.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

That, too.

 

[ViolentPanda]

of course, being a conspiracy theorist i can well see why you wouldn't want much attention being drawn to various points within their beliefs.

Miaow!!

 

[ViolentPanda]

being working class means you're a thick racist. didnt you get the memo? oh yes, you dont have memos where you work lol

Ah, that's why the the local Trots were so puzzled back in the late '70s and early '80s when loads of us working class folk took anti-racism into our own hands and kicked the NF off of our estates! I always wondered about that!