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I thought the most telling paragraph of the H NH report was this one:

"Between 80-100 well known fascists, include the self-styled "paramilitaries" of the CxF began hunting around town early on looking for people to attack, but the march went ahead with a large police, Trade Union and antifascist presence."

"...the large police, trade union and anti-fascist presence" on the march must give new poignancy to the phrase, 'We're all in it together.' :rolleyes::facepalm:
 
EDL, 21st July, Chelmsford:

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Do all those coppers have different messages on the backs of their tabards? Is there a whole set to collect?

"I'll swap my LMFAO for your KTHXBAI"
 
James Larkin RFB report:

The march went through today and finished at the point it was meant to.

The fash had a number of well known faces inj their ranks today, some from Glasgow. There appeared to be a number of right wings groups working together. The Orange Order also turned at the Globe in an attempt to disrupt the start of the march.

The fash did manage to stop the march on a number of occasions by sitting in the rd, whilst others threw eggs at the march participants. The fash appeared not to be that well organised, they had around 500 plus ( estimate, if wrong, will accept that). The fash had been observed knocking on doors in Toxteth convincing people, that the fash were marching and they,(the fash) were anti fash.
Throughout the march, the fash shouted racist and sectarian slogans. It has been reported that up to 50 fash were arrested (not confirmed)
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malatesta32 said:
yes they are suckers and have been very slow to realise they have been fleeced and achieved nothing. mr tommy has dine a disapearing act! they are being led down a path to nowhere, will get nowhere and are shrinking with every demo. even tommy cant be arsed these days. some of them really are thick as fuck and some of the sharper ones have been fooled. as for opportunities it is not unheard of for working class people with very little formal education to get one by using their own initiative and the 'i never had a chance' is often a disingenuous 'i never really bothered' as its easier to blame others for your own shortcomings.
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Yeah, like them benefits scroungers too, they like to say "I never had a chance" - they should just get on their bikes and look for a job, right?

This is the level you're at. Could have been me you were saying that about 5 years ago. Cunt.
 
SpineyNorman said:
Yeah, like them benefits scroungers too, they like to say "I never had a chance" - they should just get on their bikes and look for a job, right?

This is the level you're at. Could have been me you were saying that about 5 years ago. Cunt.
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People all over the world through history, in financial circumstances ranging from as bad to even much worse, have improved their level of knowledge.

Ignorance is just as much an attitude as a level of knowledge. It is one that is somewhat celebrated in materialist culture.

Capitalism could be said to encourage it in that any knowledge not useful for capital isn't really that useful at all, and possibly dangerous. So if your niche interest will help get you a niche job, that's cool but otherwise the pleasure and activity related to it are likely to consume less material commodities and/or rack up less debt than if you were more unfulfilled from not carrying it or something similar out.

Note that the capitalists are charging as much as they can direct for Higher Ed. It is being presented as an expensive thing now, but that should only underline their disdain for it and not draw us into any trap of linking education / self improvement too much to class.

The populist right loves to scorn at educated "liberal/lefties" and the like. If the right celebrates and encourages ignorance let us not at least make too many excuses for it.

Celebrating self improvement/education in the working class is core to many traditional views of socialism - I don't think they were/are arguing that there is an income/employment barrier to them.

There are obstacles of course, especially in childhood IMO. They are obvious and vastly worsened by the disgusting closure of libraries and Adult Ed due to our ignorant and criminal government, to assist their ongoing facilitation of the biggest heist in history.

But it is still generally far easier to learn something than to make money, especially in this climate.

So it is really not in the same league as your "benefits scroungers" point and the "cunt" jibe is extra needless.

So while they are factors, it is far less poverty or class that dumbs society down than it is culture, specifically capitalist culture founded chiefly on materialism and sensationalism.

he amount of shit being poured on claimants at the moment is vile of course, and worsening, so I can see why you are angry.

Malatesta was not at that level. I am on benefits now and am not offended by what he said.
 
SpineyNorman said:
Yeah, like them benefits scroungers too, they like to say "I never had a chance" - they should just get on their bikes and look for a job, right?

This is the level you're at. Could have been me you were saying that about 5 years ago. Cunt.
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i resent that. argue fine, abuse, out of order.
 
taffboy gwyrdd said:
People all over the world through history, in financial circumstances ranging from as bad to even much worse, have improved their level of knowledge.

Ignorance is just as much an attitude as a level of knowledge. It is one that is somewhat celebrated in materialist culture.

Capitalism could be said to encourage it in that any knowledge not useful for capital isn't really that useful at all, and possibly dangerous. So if your niche interest will help get you a niche job, that's cool but otherwise the pleasure and activity related to it are likely to consume less material commodities and/or rack up less debt than if you were more unfulfilled from not carrying it or something similar out.

Note that the capitalists are charging as much as they can direct for Higher Ed. It is being presented as an expensive thing now, but that should only underline their disdain for it and not draw us into any trap of linking education / self improvement too much to class.

The populist right loves to scorn at educated "liberal/lefties" and the like. If the right celebrates and encourages ignorance let us not at least make too many excuses for it.

Celebrating self improvement/education in the working class is core to many traditional views of socialism - I don't think they were/are arguing that there is an income/employment barrier to them.

There are obstacles of course, especially in childhood IMO. They are obvious and vastly worsened by the disgusting closure of libraries and Adult Ed due to our ignorant and criminal government, to assist their ongoing facilitation of the biggest heist in history.

But it is still generally far easier to learn something than to make money, especially in this climate.

So it is really not in the same league as your "benefits scroungers" point and the "cunt" jibe is extra needless.

So while they are factors, it is far less poverty or class that dumbs society down than it is culture, specifically capitalist culture founded chiefly on materialism and sensationalism.

he amount of shit being poured on claimants at the moment is vile of course, and worsening, so I can see why you are angry.

Malatesta was not at that level. I am on benefits now and am not offended by what he said.
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It's probably something to do with my lazy prole ignorance but I can't even be arsed to read that.
 
the simple fact is this: being uneduated does not make you fash. being stupid does not make you fash. not knowing about elizabethan madrigals or whatever the fuck does not make you fash.

why don't you attack them on their politics? otherwise you end up insulting and demoralising whole swathes of people who have not had the same opportunities as you have had, but may hate the fascist cunts as much as you do.
 
of course, being a conspiracy theorist i can well see why you wouldn't want much attention being drawn to various points within their beliefs.
 
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