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[frogwoman]

You might think that, but you have to politely attack the politics, nothing else counts. What if the dreariness is down to social background? That would make you offensive.

politeness has fuck all to do with it. you don't have to be polite to fash. some kind of political critique that attacks them on their politics and not some bullshit would be nice though. otherwise you're just being their recruiting sergeant with your middle class sneering

 

[frogwoman]

there are masses of people who cant read and write properly. Masses of them. you think all of them are fash? Are they fuck. A lot of them would be fucking insulted at being linked to the likes of the EDL. I have a mate who can't read properly. And you attack them on that basis. Frankly if you do so you're helping the fash recruit. You think the fash don't lament the poor state of literacy among their ranks either? Of course they do, they're fash.

 

[frogwoman]

You might think that, but you have to politely attack the politics, nothing else counts. What if the dreariness is down to social background? That would make you offensive.

look at the way i speak to and about fash on here. you think that's polite? is it fuck. what it's not is attacking them on irrelevant bullshit. You may as well look at them and go "They look a bit too dusky to be proper specimens of the aryan race lol"

 

[butchersapron]

Why are you having such a problem grasping this taffboy? Satire, scorn and derision when done properly, with intelligence wit and informed targeting is a formidable weapon. When done by you though it's just shit and revealing of a pretty deep-seated class based prejudices and petty poverty of aspiration type misanthropy. When your shit satire is attacked please don't mistake this for an attack on the idea of satire full stop.

 

[frogwoman]

Why are you having such a problem grasping this taffboy? Satire, scorn and derision when done properly, with intelligence wit and informed targeting is a formidable weapon. When done by you though it's just shit and revealing of a pretty deep-seated class based prejudices and petty poverty of aspiration type misanthropy. When your shit satire is attacked please don't mistake this for an attack on the idea of satire full stop.

yep. he hates people.

shit my mum fucking makes some of the same spelling mistakes that you laugh at and you associate with the edl. not everyone is great at spelling and i've seen a few typos in your posts myself. nobody fucking knows what a madrigal is either, i'm petty bourgeois and i don't fucking know what it is either.

 

[Montgolfier]

Don't fall for it. They're cherry picking the most distasteful parts of extreme Islam to further their goals. As if they're into animal rights and are radical feminists ffs.

Distasteful? Yes. Extreme Islam? Really? Pretty sure most muslim boys have their genitals cut for Allah. Also watch (if you have a strong stomach) halal meat production videos on youtube. Every muslim eats halal, it's mainstream.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HQOKQ__3vQw

I wish I could watch that and be able to turn a blind eye but I can't.

We have laws in this country to prevent this kind of cruelty but they aren't being followed! Why?

 

[Citizen66]

Distasteful? Yes. Extreme Islam? Really? Pretty sure most muslim boys have their genitals cut for Allah. Also watch (if you have a strong stomach) halal meat production videos on youtube, every muslim eats halal, it's mainstream.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HQOKQ__3vQw

I wish I could watch that and be able to turn a blind eye but I can't.

We have laws in this country to prevent this kind of cruelty but they aren't being followed! Why?

Um, I eat halal as well. I've already read arguments that halal meat is no more cruel than western methods. See ymu's posts on the matter. As for Muslim boys being circumcised, why, if it is so terrible, do the EDL have a Jewish division?

 

[Ranbay]

Ever been in a british abattior? go spend a day in one then come back and let us know all about the dangers of Halal and Kosher.

 

[butchersapron]

...and c

Distasteful? Yes. Extreme Islam? Really? Pretty sure most muslim boys have their genitals cut for Allah. Also watch (if you have a strong stomach) halal meat production videos on youtube. Every muslim eats halal, it's mainstream.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HQOKQ__3vQw

I wish I could watch that and be able to turn a blind eye but I can't.

We have laws in this country to prevent this kind of cruelty but they aren't being followed! Why?

Circumcision isn't illegal. Real opposition to halal meat can only be based on animal rights grounds - not religious/racial grounds.

 

[nino_savatte]

Distasteful? Yes. Extreme Islam? Really? Pretty sure most muslim boys have their genitals cut for Allah. Also watch (if you have a strong stomach) halal meat production videos on youtube. Every muslim eats halal, it's mainstream.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HQOKQ__3vQw

I wish I could watch that and be able to turn a blind eye but I can't.

We have laws in this country to prevent this kind of cruelty but they aren't being followed! Why?

The preparation of halal meat is little different to the preparation of kosher meat. As Bob says, maybe you need to visit a British (secular but nonetheless industrial ) abattoir. There is probably less cruelty, relatively speaking, in the butchering of halal and kosher meats than currently exists in the abattoirs.

Circumcision is also a widespread practice in the US and it has nothing at all to do with religion either. In fact, it cuts across all religions.

 

[Ranbay]

I had mine chopped off and im not even Muslamic or Jewish.... so go figure...

 

[Citizen66]

I'm not actually defending circumcision. I think it can be iffy regarding consent when not undertaken for medical reasons. However, as others have said, it isn't something that's unique to Islam or, indeed, religion.

 

[nino_savatte]

I had mine chopped off and im not even Muslamic or Jewish.... so go figure...

Same here.

 

[Montgolfier]

...and c
Real opposition to halal meat can only be based on animal rights grounds - not religious/racial grounds.

Uk law states that animals should be stunned before being killed as it's humane to do so. The halal and Kosher methods bypass the law (they are given a pardon) and kill the animal by cutting it's throat and letting it bleed to death, this can take up to a few minutes while the animal is fully concious. This is down to religious superstition and is barbaric.

Perhaps standards do slip in traditional slaughterhouses, but that's not as an excuse to turn a blind eye to this.

 

[Ranbay]

Uk law states that animals should be stunned before being killed as it's humane to do so. The halal and Kosher methods bypass the law (they are given a pardon) and kill the animal by cutting it's throat and letting it bleed to death, this can take up to a few minutes while the animal is fully concious. This is down to religious superstition and is barbaric.

Perhaps standards do slip in traditional slaughterhouses, but that's not as an excuse to turn a blind eye to this.

And Mohammed is a peado yeah.

 

[Montgolfier]

And Mohammed is a peado yeah.

Was fucking a nine year old at that time and place considered to be Pedophilia? Not sure, probably not.

 

[butchersapron]

Uk law states that animals should be stunned before being killed as it's humane to do so. The halal and Kosher methods bypass the law (they are given a pardon) and kill the animal by cutting it's throat and letting it bleed to death, this can take up to a few minutes while the animal is fully concious. This is down to religious superstition and is barbaric.

Perhaps standards do slip in traditional slaughterhouses, but that's not as an excuse to turn a blind eye to this.

As pointed out numerous times on these boards, even the rspca says (pdf) that 90% of halal slaughter involves pre-stunning. So presumably you would be happy and satisfied if this figure rose to 100%. End achieved and no need to bring anything else into it - right?

 

[Citizen66]

Uk law states that animals should be stunned before being killed as it's humane to do so. The halal and Kosher methods bypass the law (they are given a pardon) and kill the animal by cutting it's throat and letting it bleed to death, this can take up to a few minutes while the animal is fully concious. This is down to religious superstition and is barbaric.

Perhaps standards do slip in traditional slaughterhouses, but that's not as an excuse to turn a blind eye to this.

What are your views on the eating of foie gras, given your animal rights stance? And the wearing of fur and leather?

 

[Montgolfier]

As pointed out numerous times on these boards, even the rspca says (pdf) that 90% of halal slaughter involves pre-stunning. So presumably you would be happy and satisfied if this figure rose to 100%. End achieved and no need to bring anything else into it - right?

I don't know that, and yes you're right

 

[john x]

Perhaps standards do slip in traditional slaughterhouses, but that's not as an excuse to turn a blind eye to this.

If you are so concerned for animal rights what are your views on EDL supporters taking real pig's heads on their demos. Hardly very respectful of the animals which died, is it?

john x

 

[Citizen66]

If you are so concerned for animal rights what are your views on EDL supporters taking real pig's heads on their demos. Hardly very respectful of the animals which died, is it?

john x

Or the EDL member John 'Snowy' Shaw who let his animals (Llamas) starve to death.

 

[Montgolfier]

What are your views on the eating of foie gras, given your animal rights stance? And the wearing of fur and leather?

Foie gras is disgusting, no need.
Fur? Like endangered species fur? disgusting, no need.
Leather? As in by-product from humanely killed cattle? fine.

 

[Ranbay]

 

[Montgolfier]

If you are so concerned for animal rights what are your views on EDL supporters taking real pig's heads on their demos. Hardly very respectful of the animals which died, is it?

john x

No it's not, more importantly it shows a lack of respect and deliberate antagonism for muslims who choose not to eat pork

I don't agree with the EDL's methods, they are an embarrassment. But I do think they highlight a lot of really important issues...

 

[Ranbay]

No it's not, more importantly it shows a lack of respect and deliberate antagonism for muslims who choose not to eat pork

I don't agree with the EDL's methods, they are an embarrassment. But I do think they highlight a lot of really important issues...

Like the peados and stuff?

 

[Montgolfier]

Like the peados and stuff?

I don't think they mention peados in the mission statement do they? They seem more concerned by another incompatible law system running along side the existing one..

 

[Ranbay]

I don't think they mention peados in the mission statement do they? They seem more concerned at another incompatible law system running along side the existing one..

Beth Din?

 

[Montgolfier]

Beth Din?

No, but that's a good point

 

[Ranbay]

We should go on a march and tell them Jews we don't want Kosher Meat, and we don't want Beth Din courts in the our country yeah?

you up for it?

 

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