Mary mother of god! SHUT THE FUCK UP will you!
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Mary mother of god! SHUT THE FUCK UP will you!
Corax
Luke 5:16
I've just spent 10 minutes searching the web for some Speak&Spell wav sounds, to no avail.Speak & Spell did not serve the anti-fascist well.
I loved my Speak&Spell.
I've just spent 10 minutes searching the web for some Speak&Spell wav sounds, to no avail.
I loved my Speak&Spell.
There's a free emulator on android.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
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Corax
Luke 5:16
Found that, but it's either fucked, or it just doesn't like my browser/plugins/something.
Found that, but it's either fucked, or it just doesn't like my browser/plugins/something.
Yeah realised that after linking to it. The android works though. No idea if you have an android thingymajig though.
Corax
Luke 5:16
I do, but I'm not entirely convinced I want to use my precious processing power on this...
I admit to having 'fun buttons' installed - but there's a surprisingly frequent number of opportunities to pepper the conversation with clown music, or lightsabres, or Simpsons catchphrases.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
i know several people who make that mistake.
attack their fucking politics. They're FASH. Attack them for that. Otherwise you might as well laugh at a fash for being ginger, or for having a hairy bum, well whats the fcking point of that when there are other things you can attack them for - like BEING FASH
audiotech
wav, aiff, mp3, ogg, flac
More on the claim of 'marching where we want when we want'
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/edl-fascists-antifa-police-lgbt-bristol-gay-pride
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/edl-fascists-antifa-police-lgbt-bristol-gay-pride
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
"loook at that fash, and his massive hairy bum, there isn't an excuse for keeping your bum that hairy as an english patriot"
that's the level you'r're at taffboy. political criticism it ain't. deal with the fact they're fash and attack them on that basis. attack their politics. otherwise you're scarcely any better than them. fascist movements are made up of tonnes of people with a similar attitude to yours and they look down on those that aren't too. It isn't all uneducated losers who are shit at spelling and don't know their own language.
that's the level you'r're at taffboy. political criticism it ain't. deal with the fact they're fash and attack them on that basis. attack their politics. otherwise you're scarcely any better than them. fascist movements are made up of tonnes of people with a similar attitude to yours and they look down on those that aren't too. It isn't all uneducated losers who are shit at spelling and don't know their own language.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
I do attack the politics, though in the case of the rank and file those politics are often so shallow and poorly expressed that it makes for not much in volume to attack. What's behind those politics? Hate, fear etc. I attack that (or question it, full on attack can be counter productive too)
Obviously, one ought not to attack frequent poor expression of ideas - it's intellectual snobbery
. Instead I will aim to celebrate and respect the diversity of how bile-filled hate can be expressed.
I also focus on attacking/questioning/observing/deriding: warped logic, paranoia and double standards.
One area where politics can be more fully attacked is with regards to BFP, especially some positions and rhetoric which don't stack up internally or in reference to EDL rhetoric.
All these things I do, I don't suppose they would be attacked here so I don't end up defending them here, it doesn't mean I don't do them. Derision is a standard weapon in the political armoury, always has been and always will be.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
I like the piece ta, but I couldn't help notice a frequent mocking tone.
It describes EDL members as inarticulate, some of their points as incomprehensible and clearly suggests many of their ideas to be absurd.
I hope you and /or authors are prepared for criticism on the grounds that it is bad anti fascism. It could even be counter productive. What If people read it and think 'It said EDL were inarticulate, now I am going to hate muslims!'?
Food for thought eh?
All critique of far rightists should be sober, ernest and respectful of their needs, challenges and bitter hatreds
It would be nice for an urbanite to write up a piece along lines of 'Challenging Extreme Hate With Sensitivity and Awareness Of Cultural Context'
A group with so many Breivik apologists deserves nothing less than for us to workshop our learnings ASAP, lest we upset the poor mites and put them off their ongoing critique of the nexus of dirty muslim peados and evil leftists running the world.
sunnysidedown
caput mortuum
you are one dreary fucker.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
You might think that, but you have to politely attack the politics, nothing else counts. What if the dreariness is down to social background? That would make you offensive.
What politics?
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
quite a large mention of politics in the earlier of the 2 posts as it goes. But you make part of my point to FW for me.
In a lot of EDL cases, there's scant politics to criticise, just hate.
There's a context to that hate for sure, and means of pulling apart such politics as there is, but there's little point. When just met with something on the lines of 'your just brainwashed uaf you support pedos you need to realise what is happening'
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What the frig?taffboy gwyrdd said:
Describing their politics as 'just hate' is the same as describing the progressive left as 'the politics of envy'. As in, it doesn't touch the politics that lead to those positions. People don't turn to the far right because they can't spell ffs. They can't spell because they've been failed by neo-liberalism and they seek an alternative to that system and have jumped to the right rather than the left. You need to question why that has happened. Laughing at literacy levels doesn't achieve that. All you're saying is "neo-liberalism has failed you ha ha ha ha".
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
I know lots of people failed by neoliberalism who can spell and a fair few who have done well who can't spell so well.
You are ignoring the list of things I said I have attacked far beyond poor use of the national language in nationalists. . You are ignoring that I said there was a context to the hate.
Let's ernestly address the politics of this, keeping in mind the delicate souls of the victims of capitalism who dreamed it up
https://mobile.twitter.com/Exposingdarcy/status/225123113594142721/photo/1
You are ignoring the list of things I said I have attacked far beyond poor use of the national language in nationalists. . You are ignoring that I said there was a context to the hate.
Let's ernestly address the politics of this, keeping in mind the delicate souls of the victims of capitalism who dreamed it up
https://mobile.twitter.com/Exposingdarcy/status/225123113594142721/photo/1
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
About 15 minutes ago a post appeared on an anti edl page of FB.
"Fucking nobs get a bath" it said.
This was an ascorbic political attack on anti fascism, including a strong inference thay anti-fascists are dirty/smelly and don't wash.
I'm given to understand it's a common joke in far right circles.
Can anyone give a deeper political analysis of the statement to aid critique?
Is there any evidence it was made by a victim of neoliberalism, or would that be supposition?
"Fucking nobs get a bath" it said.
This was an ascorbic political attack on anti fascism, including a strong inference thay anti-fascists are dirty/smelly and don't wash.
I'm given to understand it's a common joke in far right circles.
Can anyone give a deeper political analysis of the statement to aid critique?
Is there any evidence it was made by a victim of neoliberalism, or would that be supposition?
Montgolfier
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..Just read through the EDL mission statement: http://englishdefenceleague.org/about-us/mission-statement/ ..many (not all) of the issues they stand for are valid in my opinion... having said that, marching through the streets waving your fist is a ridiculously ineffective way to prevent the 'dangerous divisions' they claim to be trying to avoid..
..I don't think people want ritual mutilation of children's genitals or cattle killed in a way that bypasses the law, It's unacceptable. so given the fact the EDL are just making things worse, who IS going to deal with this properly?
..I don't think people want ritual mutilation of children's genitals or cattle killed in a way that bypasses the law, It's unacceptable. so given the fact the EDL are just making things worse, who IS going to deal with this properly?
taffboy gwyrdd said:
So because a member of the far right has called a lefty smelly on Facebook that justifies us being bereft of political thought on here?
They aren't necessarily victims of neo liberalism, they are seeking an alternative to it. They won't all share the same reasons. The EDL that I personally heard banging on in a pub in my hometown was saying "can't even get a job as a taxi driver as the Pakis have it all sewn up". So I'd hazard a guess that he's driven by economical reasons and yes, neo liberalism is responsible for that.
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