Well they are being ridiculous then. For me it rang the 'coincidence' bell. Then we established that the police can check whether someone is insured or not whilst on patrol (I didn't know this) so I changed position that it was more probable to be incompetence than black helicopters. Then Malatesta said 'but it does happen' and I agreed stating when it had.
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Well they are being ridiculous then. For me it rang the 'coincidence' bell. Then we established that the police can check whether someone is insured or not whilst on patrol (I didn't know this) so I changed position that it was more probable to be incompetence than black helicopters. Then Malatesta said 'but it does happen' and I agreed stating when it had.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Let's see what follows. See if bignose gives us more of his gathered info.
Can't believe the focus of this thread isn't fully on the putative attack on the EDL by these radicals, it would have created some awful retaliation, never mind the carnage they would have caused with bombs, guns, machetes, this is just what some on the far right want, they would have got a possible 'race war'
ah, back on issue...
ah, back on issue...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Well it was always 'on issue'. Pretty clear why too.
Fair dos.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
You have a point there. I noticed in the thread (between the handbags at dawn posts on some blog or other) that the idea that the alleged plotters were something other than straightforward fundamental nutters was something to be avoided. Looks like a case of knee jerk negation. That idea doesn't suit my political outlook therefore it must be false. the EDL are thick but they do pick up on this fault that sometimes leads otherwise progressive thinkers to stear and vere from the point.
If this plot is real and not another made up story (and there have been several) then it plays right into the hands of the extreme right. There you have it, fundamentalist terrorists living amongst us.
I assume the police also found a map in the car with a big red X on Dewsbury with 'booty' written underneath and the X is made from a flag of St George.
Or perhaps we reserve judgement until more facts are known?
You're already altering the terminology to 'bombs' from 'homemade explosives', btw.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
According to the telegraph, the car was impounded first and wasn't inspected until two days later during a routine search. Then the police "allegedly unearthed sawn off shotguns, the makings of a pipebomb containing ball bearings and nails and a cache of swords, knives and machetes".
There's a courtroom drawing of the arrested men all sporting beards
woops, I posted it.
Anyone know if the telegraph usually uses the word allegedly. Either they found stuff or they didn't, right?
There's a courtroom drawing of the arrested men all sporting beards
woops, I posted it.
Anyone know if the telegraph usually uses the word allegedly. Either they found stuff or they didn't, right?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
You've gotta wonder what the police officer was thinking when he pulled these three up. "That's 5 quid you owe me sarge, it's definitely not the fuckin BeeGees after all."
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
For a start I predict that shares in shaving foam companies are going to rally on the stock market as sales soar. Sorry to say that BeeGees album sales are inevitably set to stagnate and decline. So definitely sell there if you have shares in them.
josef1878
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Perhaps they were thinking of..."ah ah ah ah staying alive, staying alive"
elbows
Well-Known Member
I am certainly disturbed at the thought of what such a tale will do to your already over-sensitive beard radar.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
I think you may be onto something there:
"Whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother,
You're stayin alive, stayin alive.
Feel the city breakin (Dewsbury?) and everybody shakin,
And were stayin alive, stayin alive".
But on a more serious note, they're cunts and those "alleged" suspect terrorists are also cunts.
PS, gotta show my rejection for the idea that the EDl somehow deserved something like this. They deserve a lot of things like Lucozade and shooing but not this shit. In the event of it being real then the perception of victims would have gone way beyond those immediately effected, ie Edl, and would have been perceived as an attack on the whole of society, thus handing the right a martyrdom that they could milk for years.
elbows
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Sorry, that was probably excessive.
At the end of the day our best defence is that the majority of people prepared to indulge in such acts at this time are too stupid.
If I take this stuff at face value then I may file it in the vehicular idiocy folder, joining the fools who got their bombs towed away for parking violations.
bignose1
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Jihad talking......
bignose1
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Whoah dont look for trouble........Thats my take on it...Ive not spoken to anyone who might be any the wiser certainly none of the usual suspects Im often erroneously associated with.... if as I think its what your implying!!
Been around mate...read plenty of the manuals.....talked to people who have been been on the recieving end....have outed informers...interrorgated a few...and had the experience myself!!. And for what its worth...intuition.....think like or as they might do. Now a routine stop might be an obvious disruption tactic but it can be engineered so well that it can almost be undetectable...but what it does do is apply an extra layer of surveillance. How would you protect yourself from being infiltrated what would you look for. Actions not body language...I know it can descend into a counter counter game but when I see/hear of people nowadays getting rounded up and ts not down to CCTV or some other gadgetry its invariably a two legged source....which beats hands down any other covert shit when it comes to credible evidence in court and getting convictions. The quality of the source is important but so is the target of the operation which could bring me to the Mark Kennedy affair but its not the place here. Suffice to say it was doomed from day one. As Ive said before I trained up quite a few people in these areas...surveillance...counter surveillance...and associated stuff. I only really touched on this in NR. But I can tell you my motivation to get a grip of all this came from the fact that I got jailed because of a mole.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
it was the coincidence of stopping a car and finding a bunch of stuff in there that was the point. what are the chances of that happening percentage wise? then again, it cd be a bunch of eejits caught purely by chance. there is no 'kneejerk negation' here but all possibilities should be entertained surely? and as someone mentioned before - kennedy/stone etc.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
as i said i hate conspiracy theory but given the amount of job creation and money being made post-9/11 its not a stretch to imagine these kind of set-ups.
Higher if you're stupid enough to be caught for a minor traffic violation than if you take all precautions not to stick out whilst on your way to commit a crime.
bignose1
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The first thing when it comes to surveillance by the likes of MI5 or SB is forget about spotting them...you wont. Not til you get pulled over when they approve a disruption for operational reasons. Your car could be briefed up to fuck and you could all be sitting pretty playing I-spy. They must have known the ied wasnt ready and guns to hand. The question which people will want to know the answer to is why let them go which I think Ive had a go at earlier.The fact that 3 or 4 beardies in traditional clobber got stopped could be a throwback to the 7/7 stuff...anyone brown with lots of facial hair with a rucksack etc but this was so obviously another compromised homemade plan it wouldnt have mattered if you'd had Binny himself driving open top in a suicide vest making a jihad video.[/quote]
It could be all those things. But it could also be a routine stop (they do happen on a daily basis). Why you so sure it's the former?
bignose1
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Of course...its just my take...putting together some personal experience some of what Ive read and seen but also because I'm sceptical of the random stop excuse...when was the last time you got pulled over or any one else you know when your fully briefed up or not driving out of a pub car park at 11-30pm. Its very rare... as theres fewer cops about on the road except maybe at Crimbo.This has all the hall marks of a a homemade attempt by previously targetted or on radar individuals whove probably been bugged to fuck. The EDL have become a legit target....fuck me theyve tore into Islam harder than Rushdie, Gert et al...Im suprised that this caper hadnt happened sooner....
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
Nationalism
Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
Supremacy of the Military
Rampant Sexism
Controlled Mass Media
Obsession with National Security
Religion and Government are Intertwined
Corporate Power is Protected
Labor Power is Suppressed
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fraudulent Elections
geting back on track how many of these are right?
Nationalism, Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause, Supremacy of the Military, Rampant Sexism
- but also homphobia/against any 'deviance'
Controlled Mass Media, National Security, Religion and Government are Intertwined, Corporate Power is Protected, Labor Power is Suppressed, Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
- cultural work is state sanctioned (ie, anti-modernism under nazis)
Obsession with Crime and Punishment, Rampant Cronyism and Corruption, Fraudulent Elections
- or no elections at all.
any ideas? i need a brief list for the antifascist book and dont wanto to end up writing tons about what fascism is, as opposed to writing about antifascist activities.
Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
Supremacy of the Military
Rampant Sexism
Controlled Mass Media
Obsession with National Security
Religion and Government are Intertwined
Corporate Power is Protected
Labor Power is Suppressed
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fraudulent Elections
geting back on track how many of these are right?
Nationalism, Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause, Supremacy of the Military, Rampant Sexism
- but also homphobia/against any 'deviance'
Controlled Mass Media, National Security, Religion and Government are Intertwined, Corporate Power is Protected, Labor Power is Suppressed, Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
- cultural work is state sanctioned (ie, anti-modernism under nazis)
Obsession with Crime and Punishment, Rampant Cronyism and Corruption, Fraudulent Elections
- or no elections at all.
any ideas? i need a brief list for the antifascist book and dont wanto to end up writing tons about what fascism is, as opposed to writing about antifascist activities.
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