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[frogwoman]

Nationalism
Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
Supremacy of the Military
Rampant Sexism
Controlled Mass Media
Obsession with National Security
Religion and Government are Intertwined
Corporate Power is Protected
Labor Power is Suppressed
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fraudulent Elections

geting back on track how many of these are right?
Nationalism, Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause, Supremacy of the Military, Rampant Sexism
- but also homphobia/against any 'deviance'
Controlled Mass Media, National Security, Religion and Government are Intertwined, Corporate Power is Protected, Labor Power is Suppressed, Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
- cultural work is state sanctioned (ie, anti-modernism under nazis)
Obsession with Crime and Punishment, Rampant Cronyism and Corruption, Fraudulent Elections
- or no elections at all.
any ideas? i need a brief list for the antifascist book and dont wanto to end up writing tons about what fascism is, as opposed to writing about antifascist activities.

thing is those things happen in all states, not just fascist states to varying degrees. "Corporate Power is Protected?" "Fraudulent elections?" Come the fuck on.

I don't like that list particularly because it seems to have been written to identify the US with fascism. I'm meant to be working but I'll try and write you something a bit more detailed abouthe defining features of fascism and send it to you - probably won't be today though.

 

[frogwoman]

not only that but that list actually misses out one of the most important features of fascism.

 

[malatesta32]

not only that but that list actually misses out one of the most important features of fascism.

is it funny hats?

 

[frogwoman]

is it funny hats?

nah. it's the whole idea of the palingenetic rebirth, the idea of crerating the new society (and destruction of the old) which distinguishes a fash movement from a simple nationalist/popularist one. There's other stuff too. But that list isn't reliable when it comes to discussing fascism. At all.

 

[malatesta32]

brilliant, cheers frogs! hopefully folk can help finetune it and get it right. yr right about the original as well -it cd be used for USA

 

[malatesta32]

this could also correct people when referring to islam as fascist.

 

[frogwoman]

no worries, i'll try and remember to send you something next week.

 

[frogwoman]

this could also correct people when referring to islam as fascist.

Some of the islamist/nationalist movements in the middle east do imo contain elements of fascism. But "islam" ain't fascist. Fuck's sake.

 

[butchersapron]

Not being funny mal, but why don't you read some books on fascism? There's a long running well informed debate about what constitutes fascism. google the fascist minimum or something.

 

[frogwoman]

http://ah.brookes.ac.uk/resources/griffin/coreoffascism.pdf

 

[krink]

quick scan of the local edl pages and so far it seems most are saying they believe the idea that the dudes in the car were going to attack edl is really just a government plot to discourage people from attending edl demos. They are saying this because the car was already further south than the demo and was still going south when stopped.

On a side note, one of them has posted up a poster of david cameron which is attracting 'likes' - only thing is it's one of those class war 'wanker' posters .

 

[bignose1]

I never get pulled up, but I also don't drive without insurance; which i'm sure increases the likelihood a thousand-fold if the busies are running checks on every reg plate they cast a glance over.

I was generalising...yes your right in this instance. ANPR means you can get a ticket through the post even though youve not been pulled as a workmate found out when he got his renewal dates mixed up.

 

[malatesta32]

Not being funny mal, but why don't you read some books on fascism? There's a long running well informed debate about what constitutes fascism. google the fascist minimum or something.

you damned straight you aint being funny! its all im doing at the moment. seriously, i saw the list, then the eco thing and thought that it is a more succinct way of explaining to the reader what fascism is so we can get on with antifascism. hence the post.
http://malatesta32.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/militant-anti-fascism-book/

 

[LiverAF]

Can anyone shed any light on whether this is true or not (bristol demo cancelled) - http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/710097

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

is this some sort of joke?

Look, your thing is shit. You are offended. So what?

Butchers - Ironically the one thing you have said to offend me is that I was offended.

People raise points and criticisms. If I don't answer them they obviously stand. If I do you accuse me of being self obsessed or offended.

That is manipulative.

You frequently make assumptions about what I and other people think.

That is deluded and arrogant.

You can dish out the slaggings but very often avoid questions and challenges to yourself.
That is cowardly.

You are constantly negative. That is bitter.

Despite mild requests for you to show the opposite you cant demonstrate that you spend more time slagging off the far right (especially to them directly) than their opponents. That is ultimately counter productive.

Bitter, manipulative, counter productive, deluded, arrogant, coward.

That's you Butchers. And if you respond we'll know by your own standards that you are also self obsessed and offended.

 

[Delroy Booth]

http://twitpic.com/a6gw0o/full

 

[Ranbay]

Can anyone shed any light on whether this is true or not (bristol demo cancelled) - http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/710097

post was from hack/fake EDL page.

 

[elbows]

That's you Butchers.

You see people with shit blogs, thats you that is.

 

[Kingsway91]

Death threats sent to two EDL members


http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Deat...head-Bristol/story-16520153-detail/story.html

 

[krink]

jesus, that report...don't know where to begin.

 

[Anudder Oik]

jesus, that report...don't know where to begin.

It's a pretty sloppy report and implies that the 3 arrests this week are somehow linked to the death threats to 2 EDl members. Funny how EDl organizers always get chased or threatened or beaten up shortly before their demos.
Anyway, the EDl will coincide with a pride festival in town on the same day. Should be agood day out for their gay division, not.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Two quick things I aint seen here in a quick scan. Could be wrong, apols if so.

Owen Jones has laid into general bigotry, which is pleasing.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...muslims-read-jews-and-be-shocked-7939392.html

I expect he'll be in for a load of foul abuse now as well.

Also, yesterdays statement from Lennon:

For a while it has been a concern that the EDL structure was in danger of failing because of disloyalty, lack of accountability & rumour mongers.
In the past few months trusted patriots have been working hard to rebuild the merchandising that is the main part of our continued support system and future growth. This has now been achieved.
To take this a step further a plan has been put into place that will rebuild the organizing structure. The first step was to approach and appoint a steering interim executive, who all have the necessary skills needed to reform the EDL to become more efficient, become more professional in our day to day working and prepare the EDL to go to the next level in fighting Extreme Islam. The necessary changes will ensure our continued growth and stability in the future.
There is no take over of the EDL by others! Please stop spreading any rumours.
Kevin and I will sit on the executive as permanent members alongside others to look at ways to improve the EDL. What is planned is that once the preparation work is finally achieved, an elected executive will come into existence following nominations and voting. Therefore alongside the responsibility, will come accountability for those in position.
Finally to those who spread rumour that I and Kevin are leaving the EDL, I say we will not and cannot leave the EDL.
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Translation: People say we are shit. We talked about it and will try to not be shit. We asked someone brainy to say this in an intelligent way. (ETA: Just been told it's Hel Gower). Also, we hope you buy some more of our stuff.

 

[phildwyer]

Two quick things I aint seen here in a quick scan. Could be wrong, apols if so.

Owen Jones has laid into general bigotry, which is pleasing.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...muslims-read-jews-and-be-shocked-7939392.html

I expect he'll be in for a load of foul abuse now as well.

That's a great article. Good for him.

 

[Ranbay]

I cant make it tomorrow as finishing my new kitchen is more imortant than laughing at these dumb fucks..

Anyway it's going to be an intresting day for the all concerned, i will be amazed if it don't go tits up at some point.

 

[butchersapron]

The handful who turn up are being made to walk about 500 metres to this lovely square

then turned around and marched back to the station. Appropriately it's a square both dedicated to monarchy and also the kick off point for the 1831 riots, the biggest instance of civil disorder in GB in the 19th century.

 

[malatesta32]

'In the past few months trusted patriots have been working hard to rebuild the merchandising that is the main part of our continued support system and future growth. This has now been achieved.'
ie, we have started milking the members again!

 

[malatesta32]

I cant make it tomorrow as finishing my new kitchen is more imortant than laughing at these dumb fucks..

Anyway it's going to be an intresting day for the all concerned, i will be amazed if it don't go tits up at some point.

the edl will get about 500 as is the usual number now and we hope that bristol will mobilise a good counter-demo (seems they're doing the street thing they did in brighton). the pride thing will add to the confusion. plod will be hot and bothered. it will rain and bob's kitchen will be lovely!

 

[Ranbay]

Many of them seem "up for it"

http://twitpic.com/a71d3w

 

[malatesta32]

EDL CLICHES #1: theres loads of people who support us but theyre just scared to show it!
OR: there isnt.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

EDL CLICHES #1: theres loads of people who support us but theyre just scared to show it!
OR: there isnt.

Actually, if you watch the demos online you only have to shake the screen up and down to see the local onlookers are nodding in agreement.