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The Cable Street comparison was just the one @ Tower Hamlets.
Inflating their own numbers? Well, that could be to do with the 'there are more of us than you' message I've heard expressed on these occasions? Did you have another thought on this?
 
audiotech said:
The Cable Street comparison was just the one @ Tower Hamlets.
Inflating their own numbers? Well, that could be to do with the 'there are more of us than you' message I've heard expressed on these occasions? Did you have another thought on this?
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Another thought on what exactly? You were the one who claimed the UAF were inflating their own numbers, not me. It has nothing whatsoever o do with any point that i've tried to make.

edit: and no, cable street was not just used as regards the TH affair. It's been wheeled out time after time - as a few seconds googling should tell you.
 
Which is why they're moving to a more secure sever...according to themselves anyway. And yes, could well have been by-product of attempt to fuck up the EDL site.
 
Tommy and Kev both up in court today.

Also Police want Super Asbo for Tommy so he can neer go to a Demo again.... lol
 
the "lol" in your post ...
I think someone, even fash scum like tommy, being banned from going to demonstrations for the rest of their life is pretty concerning tbh
 
The LOL was a LOL, the leader of the EDL not aloud to go to EDL demos is a LOL moment.

but yeah you read it however you want.
 
becuase he is the leader of the EDL,

it like me running a darts club in the fox and hounds but im bared from the pub.
 
being the leader of something and no going to any of the events that you are the leader of is funny to me, thats why i said LOL.

im not sure i can make it any more simple than that.
 
B0B2oo9 said:
being the leader of something and no going to any of the events that you are the leader of is funny to me, thats why i said LOL.

im not sure i can make it any more simple than that.
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would you feel the same way if it was say bob crow or someone like that being banned from an anti cuts demo for the rest of their life? that's the point i'm making. i don't give a fuck about yaxley-lennon, but i dont really think i can cheer on stuff like this
 
Is bob crow a violent racist football thug? if he was and he was banned from going to demos then i would LOL yes.

Who is asking you to cheer?... not sure how many times i need to say this, but a LOL is laugh out Loud... how you read that as i agree with banning people from doing stuff i have no fucking idea.
 
the problem is that this type of measure is going to be used against the left and you know it. i don't find anything to laugh at in that.

i also don't find anything to laugh at pushing the EDL onto more extreme courses of action by banning peaceful demos. if the radical right can't demonstrate because that avenue has been closed to them by the state (rather than locals being able to make it clear just how unwelcome they are) it won't be long before the more dedicated of them start pursuing other avenues instead.
 
B0B2oo9 said:
Is bob crow a violent racist football thug? if he was and he was banned from going to demos then i would LOL yes.

Who is asking you to cheer?... not sure how many times i need to say this, but a LOL is laugh out Loud... how you read that as i agree with banning people from doing stuff i have no fucking idea.
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There are some people who think he (and trade unions in general) is nothing better than that. Unfortunately they seem to be rather influential at the moment
 
frogwoman said:
the problem is that this type of measure is going to be used against the left and you know it. i don't find anything to laugh at in that.

i also don't find anything to laugh at pushing the EDL onto more extreme courses of action by banning peaceful demos. if the radical right can't demonstrate because that avenue has been closed to them by the state (rather than locals being able to make it clear just how unwelcome they are) it won't be long before the more dedicated of them start pursuing other avenues instead.
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Absolutly, its state sponsored anti domestic extremism and the left will be victim to this as well.
 
A suspended sentence of 12 weeks, 150 hours community work and a £200 fine - sounds a bit lucky not to have gone down tbh. It's only a couple of months since he got done for the scrap with Newport County last year - for which he got a 12-month community rehabilitation order, 150 hours of unpaid work, a three-year football banning order and ordered to pay £650 in costs.
 
The mess that was the failed anti-islamophobia event in Newcastle last weekend has been written up by a pal of mine here: neanarchists

I think he's got it spot-on.

A Monumental Failure

Saturday 29th Oct was not a particularly good day for the Left, or for the unions or for anti-fascists. It certainly wasn't a good day for the Newcastle Occupation, as the consequences of the collective failure of all the above-named were visited on them in the form of a horde of brick-throwing nazis.

Saturday was meant to have been Rise Against Islamophobia - "Newcastle's Multi-Cultural Celebration". It was organised - if that's the word we're really looking for - by Unison, Public Service Alliance, Coalition of Resistance, Stop The War, and several other smaller lobby groups. Actually, we can probably narrow that list down further, because Unison dominates the PSA and both CoR and STW are fronts for a Trotskyist group called Counterfire - one of the more recent divorces from the SWP.

It had been known for more than a month - we heard as far back as Sept 26th - that the EDL were planning a counter-demonstration. Counterfire were acknowledging this from at least as far back as Oct 17th and were calling for support from anti-fascists.

The precise reasons for the event being cancelled with scarcely 24 hours notice remain unclear. We initially heard Unison had pulled the plug because they couldn't get public liability insurance. We then heard from sources in Counterfire that Unison cancelled because they had been unable to get any union volunteers to act as stewards. We have since heard claims from a Unison shop steward that no call-out asking for volunteers was even made. The phrase "couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery" springs to mind.
And what about the anti-fascists?

With the event cancelled and a national EDL mobilisation in Birmingham the same day, it would seem most people figured nothing would happen at Monument and so few people bothered to turn up on the off-chance.

There are, besides, two underlying weaknesses in the anti-fascist movement. One is the division between the fluffy liberal campaign groups and the more militant anti-fascists. Too often we still hear it said that direct confrontation with fascists makes us no better than them - just another bunch of violent thugs and hooligans. The same nonsense AFA had to deal with 20 years ago. Obviously, not everyone is cut out for street-fighting, but surely it's not too much to ask to expect moral support? In the face of this, there is no co-ordination between the two wings of the anti-fascist movement. Whatever organisations for physical anti-fascism still exist (and it's debatable that any do still exist), they were allowed no role in planning the event. Not when there's respectable Labour councillors and trade unions involved.

The other weakness stems from the hopeless sectarianism of the Left. Of all the organisations supporting the event, it is notable that Unite Against Fascism wasn't one of them. This isn't because they consider Islamophobia beyond their interest and remit - in fact, UAF held a national convention on the subject in London just a few weeks ago on Oct 15th. So why did they not support it? Look no further than the party behind UAF: the SWP, and their split with Counterfire - and of course, the aggro between Unison and Yunus Bakhsh over his tribunal. He just happens to be the SWP Regional Organiser. There's no way in hell these people are going to work together, so whatever numbers they might have mobilised (something between of 6-800 last time the EDL came to Newcastle), they were nowhere to be seen this time. Sadly, the political rivalries that exist nationwide on the Left have tended to become rancid and personal in the North-East. Too many people just can't work with anyone, and quite often, the worst offenders have key roles in different groups and committees.

The result of this farce was that some 60 fascists, from the EDL, SDL and NF were able to take over the Monument almost unopposed (it must be said that FRFI were there as they happen to hold regular stalls there). Even when word started to circulate that the fascists were gathered in the middle of Newcastle, there was still only a tiny mobilisation. The necessary networks and contingencies just don't exist. Then, having spent the interim drinking in city centre pubs, around 20 of the fascists returned to Monument at 3 o'clock in the morning and attacked the Occupation tents with bricks and boots. One of the Occupiers was taken to hospital with a suspected broken rib. It's fortunate there weren't more serious injuries.

It is quite clear that after 15 years of comparative quiet on the streets, the far-right is starting to flex it's muscles again. Anti-fascists need to get organised and get ready to fight back.
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