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dylans
overlord of all acorns
Easy for you to say, they are not running amok down your street calling your mom a p**i and smashing your shop windows. I am no fan of the UAF but the idea that minority communities should just ignore violent racist thugs demonstrating outside their front doors is just stupid
I don't think that not posting stuff on the internet/them getting media attention etc is going to put an end to the growth in the far right/nationalist movements. I think the economic conditions on the ground/on the street will always be the real catalyst.
butchersapron
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They weren't doing that before luton.They're not doing it now. Dylans speaks as a booster.
butchersapron
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The suggestion is that the hysterical reactions on here mirror the UAF reactions in real life .Ever time someone posts in this thread someone joins the EDL
butchersapron
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Talk about them anyway you like bob. All safe now,all over. Night night
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Except in Dudley and Leicester and Stoke on Trent and Harrow and Birmingham etc etc. Of course they were doing exactly that. Why do you think they make a point of demonstrating in Muslim communities and what do you think their intentions are when they get the slightest opportunity?
maybe they are not going away, Demos for some reason have done an online survey of its 'members' on facebook, its very revealing and maybe their support is harder than people think, they just don't march...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/30/edl-heart-facebook
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/30/edl-heart-facebook
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
I recall that survey being done about 6 weeks ago. The CiF is piece is not as bad as I feared, I suspected it was a bit of a phoney left front for justifying a contrarian stance that does appear in the last sentence:
"it is worth trying to understand and respond to some of the concerns of this small army of virtual supporters, because that could easily change." - which could well be to say: "Labour (to whom Demos are most loyal) should continue to wibble on about immigration, using the threat of fascism as an excuse for doing so. There might yet be more votes to gain than lose"
I could be wrong about that, but it is a pretty strong suspicion. Much of the rest of the piece is good though. I would observe that anyone who could even be arsed to do an online survey is a bit self selecting and more active than random keyboard warriors.
Corax
Luke 5:16
Why is that bicycle going backwards?
What we need, is a codeword for the EDL, that only we know. I suggest that fully inducted U75 members make proposals in the secret forum.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
They also had policies for creating jobs by revitalising British manufacturing with a protectionist policy taxing imports and a buy local buy British campaign. They advocated the occupation of businesses who 'lost' contracts or were outsourced abroad and the setting up of new worker/shareholder co-ops.
butchersapron
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Er, they weren't. Your chronology and understanding of were they came from is fucked if you think that. Show me them existing and holding protests in Dudley and Leicester and Stoke on Trent and Harrow and Birmingham etc before Luton.
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
2007, Dudley
<----2009 EDL astroturfed by CVF --->
Jan 2010 Dudley
April 2010 Dudley
<----2009 EDL astroturfed by CVF --->
Jan 2010 Dudley
April 2010 Dudley
butchersapron
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Wow, this changes...everything
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Your simply wrong. The chronology is as follows
8 August 2009 Birmingham. ..result violent disorder in town centre.
9 September 2009 Birmingham . result violent disorder and 45 arrests
23rd January 2010 Stoke on Trent. Several arrests for violent disorder and assaulting police officers
9 October 2010 Leicester. result violent disorder including 2 protestors and a cop hospitalised and shops and indian restaurants damaged. One EDL supporter convicted of criminal damage.
3rd April 2010 Dudley. Violent disorder and attempted attack on a mosque. Several arrests including possession of offensive weapons. Following days witnessed a racist attack on a mosque when a pigs head was placed on the roof.
1st May 2010 Aylesbury. several arrests including possession of offensive weapons.
13 December 2010 Harrow. Mosque surrounded and defended by local community and UAF.
5th February 2011 LUTON.
There were loads more in between those listed but I have made my point. The EDL are a violent physical force fascist movement that deliberately seek to intimidate Asian communities and have done precisely that every time they have had the chance. The idea that these communities should just ignore them and hope they go away is just stupid
butchersapron
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No, you are simply wrong. Before all these events was the luton anti-soldier protest and response. Then in the gap between then and brum you and other goons put the wind to their sails (as was pointed out at that time). Enjoy.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
The anti soldier protest by Al Muhajiroun was in March 2009, the EDL didn't exist then, they were formed out of the United Peoples of Luton which itself was born in response to the original soldier protest. The first Luton demonstration was in June 2009 and it was out of that that the EDL was born. You claimed that the EDL have no history of violence I have just shown you that this is untrue. Of course they had no history of violence before the original soldiers demonstration, they had no history at all because they didn't exist.
My argument is very simple. That the EDL have a history of violent attacks on Muslim communities, that they organise for such attacks and target such communities for their demonstrations for precisely that reason. It is therefore patently absurd for you to claim that those communities should simply ignore them and hope they go away.
butchersapron
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I claimed no such thing - that's a shocking twist of my words.
The EDL were born out of the various responses in luton, responses which happened well before your chronology even begins. You simply got it wrong.
My claim (the real one) is that your and others hysterical reaction at that time did exactly what the EDL wanted,you did the only thing that would have allowed them to live, you facilitated what pathetic violence they're managed to produce. As we told you at the time.
butchersapron
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dylans said:
Seriously, wtf is wrong with you to post this?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
I said
To which you replied
To which I pointed out that the last Luton demonstration was on the 5th February 2011 and that they have very much been doing precisely that on every demonstration where the opportunity presents itself. Your statement that they were not doing that before the original soldiers march in Luton makes no sense because they didn't exist then so der, of course they weren't.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
My intention is not to misrepresent you and if I have I apologise, but you are claiming that the EDL are not a threat to Muslim communities and are best ignored. That opposing them and counter demonstrating against them just gives them attention and feeds their growth. I disagree with this and have argued that for communities under attack by their thugs the option of ignoring them is not a luxury they can afford
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
To which i replied correctly that they weren't doing that before luton ( which you dated wrongly by two years) and that they're not doing it now.They're not.There was an intervening period after luton where the hysterical responses of people like you and the UAF helped to allow the sort of violence you mention happen. My whole point was about your responses allowing the EDL to be violent,it rests on them being pathetically violent - and you read this as me arguing that they've never been violent. What to say to that?
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