I know there was an attempt around 2005 to set up a "British Workers Party" that was patriotic and socialist. 39thstep might know more
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barney_pig
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I am feeling a certain deja vu about that post, there was a british workers party around in the immediate post war period, it was one of the splinters from the dregs of Mosleys Union Movement and thArnold Leese's Imperial Fascist League.
gawkrodger
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I'd be amazed if there's anything near 900. They've failed to get anywhere near that number in Brum on their other incursions. The OB managed to squeeze 'em all onto 3 WM travel busses last time which must add up to around 150
It's hardly a new phenomenon though, is it? There's a good essay here about George Orwell's own attempts to fuse a populist patriotism alongside his own brand of democratic socialism during the 1940's. http://clogic.eserver.org/2007/Bounds.pdf I suppose this tendency is best expressed in "The Lion and the Unicorn" in particular "England, Your England" but beneath some of the nostalgia and sentimentality in that particular essay, there was a more serious political project on the Tribune-ite left at the time, to create that kind of a patriotic socialism. I suppose it was a necessary adaptation in the face of fascism and nationalist resurgence as part of the war effort. After all, in 1941 British people were faced with the real prospect that English and/or British Nationalism was about to be wiped out forever. Even reading the Lion and Unicorn you get the feeling Orwell wasn't just trying to cynically appeal to popular patriotic feelings, but to document a society that stood on the brink of destrcution, to document pre-nazi English nationalism whilst it was still possible.
Left-wing populist patriotism a prominent feature in practically every anti-colonial and anti-imperialist struggle you care to think off, I suppose the best example that springs to mind is Sinn Fein and Irish Republicanism/nationalism, even though I'm aware of how reactionary and ideologically "pragmatic" Sinn Fein can be in action, nontheless the party's heritage is rooted in authentic anti-imperialist class struggle whilst being staunchly nationalist. And isn't it the case that the Soviet Union referred to World War 2 as the "Great Patriotic War" at the time? Stalin was certainly fond of appealing to traditional Russian nationalism.
Anyway the EDL demo in Brum tomorrow looks like another washout, possibly the worst yet. I've just had a good look around the fascist forums, twitters and facebooks and there's very little buzz about it at all. There's the same open whining about turnout, coaches being called off, divisions going missing, regional organizers stressing out and throwing their toys outta the pram etc that I remember seeing in abundance before Tower Hamlets. Which bodes well I suppose, and it'll also be interesting to see what UAF do in response.
Left-wing populist patriotism a prominent feature in practically every anti-colonial and anti-imperialist struggle you care to think off, I suppose the best example that springs to mind is Sinn Fein and Irish Republicanism/nationalism, even though I'm aware of how reactionary and ideologically "pragmatic" Sinn Fein can be in action, nontheless the party's heritage is rooted in authentic anti-imperialist class struggle whilst being staunchly nationalist. And isn't it the case that the Soviet Union referred to World War 2 as the "Great Patriotic War" at the time? Stalin was certainly fond of appealing to traditional Russian nationalism.
Anyway the EDL demo in Brum tomorrow looks like another washout, possibly the worst yet. I've just had a good look around the fascist forums, twitters and facebooks and there's very little buzz about it at all. There's the same open whining about turnout, coaches being called off, divisions going missing, regional organizers stressing out and throwing their toys outta the pram etc that I remember seeing in abundance before Tower Hamlets. Which bodes well I suppose, and it'll also be interesting to see what UAF do in response.
krink
I'll do it this afternoon
The anti-islamophobia event due today has been cancelled!
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
you got a link for that anywhere?
luton, croydon, yorkshire and liverpool EDL on the way but there are a lot of 'otherwise engaged' members. this is the last national of the year, the cops have had to tighten up after last time and the hoo ha about costs and the EDL numbers are going to be down due to the infidels factionalism. good news is joanne 'bus stop' dickens is going and the plymouth CxF are on the look out for kebab shops to attack.
What is the turnout for the Yorkshire divisions looking like? In particular Huddersfield and Bradford if you know.
I'm interested to see just how badly they've been affected by the Infidels split, or if the Infidels are planning on attending.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
dont know numbers but the split will have affected yorkshire somewhat. its important to photograph today and see numbers and areas (from hoodies) who are still tommy-istas. there is very bad blood between NEI, NWI and EDL. they hate tommy cos he is IRA cokehead zionist etc.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
rather amusing footage of a totally humiliated nottingham division being herded onto a bus after get humiliated by east enders.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=68a_1315379794
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=68a_1315379794
There was also a patriotic/nationalistic element to the Communist regimes, particularly when they broke with or distanced themselves from Moscow. When I first visited Yugoslavia, for example, in the early 1980s, I was surprised at the evidence of national pride on display, and it wasn't all imposed by the regime. Which I suppose is a bit ironic given what happened a decade later.
True, but there's one or two Infidels I've noticed saying they're going down to Brum, not many, but I find this surprising. And yes, Yorkshire has been badly split, there's only Dewsbury and Halifax divisions that have regular meetings or turn out to anything in any great numbers now, everywhere else it's just a collection of facebook groups with a few hangers on.
The seriousness with which these clowns are treated by the left defies belief.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Even better its all done by sitting behind a monitor : virtual anti fascism
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I wouldn't describe those involved with the attempt to set up the BWP in 2005 as dregs to be honest and they certainly weren't anything like the rabid anti semitics of Leese. A few were in the short lived 'ex Marxists for Griffin' circle.
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
I agree but I was talking about the post war incarnation (1946-8) not the more recent fash shenanigans
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
You couldn't make it up...
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
piss poor turn out in brum, a couple of 100. just a bunch of pissed lads in the rain. not very good for the last national is it? NF fared even worse!
http://twitpic.com/77igf
http://twitpic.com/77igf
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
Reports say about 40 - 60 EDL/Infidels etc in Newcastle, and maybe ten less lefties (including the Occupy loons), with the two groups shouting at each other.
gawkrodger
Well-Known Member
500 is being generous!
They were bussed in to centeneray square, cordoned off (though if they'd been serious about it could easily have pushed through - we constantly wandered in and out) and then bussed straight out again or straight to the station. Hardly anyone around them, they did look like utter numpties. Can't imagine it going down well. Even the cheering and chants was all rather half-arsed
Noticeably few from Brum itself. The Dudley branch are all long term fash complete with stiff arming.
They were bussed in to centeneray square, cordoned off (though if they'd been serious about it could easily have pushed through - we constantly wandered in and out) and then bussed straight out again or straight to the station. Hardly anyone around them, they did look like utter numpties. Can't imagine it going down well. Even the cheering and chants was all rather half-arsed
Noticeably few from Brum itself. The Dudley branch are all long term fash complete with stiff arming.
Ranbay
The same rules apply
We really should start dealing with these fucking coach companies that allow the EDL to exist. if they had to rely on local support for their demonstrations they'd never have more than 200 at them .
Just saw this from Hope Not Hate. Worth reading. http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/1454/redneck-roundup
Apparently all the little ex-EDL groupsicles, along with some assorted National Front cranks, started kicking the shit out of each other in a big way in Newcastle today. Rivalries between groups in Yorkshire, Newcastle and Scotland are getting completely out of hand. This pic says it all.
PlaidDragon
We don't need money to have a good time
Fair dos to the lad though, he faced off what I assume was a coach load of them, seemingly on his own.
They- it was one guy.
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