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Anudder Oik said:
I don't want to get bogged down in this but surely they are Christians who support zionists rather than Christian Zionists?

I would prefer to get bck to my question about who is financing the EDL or sponsoring the far right in europe?
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You can be a Protestant Irish nationalist, so why not a Christian Zionist nationalist?
 
Anudder Oik said:
I don't want to get bogged down in this but surely they are Christians who support zionists rather than Christian Zionists?

I would prefer to get bck to my question about who is financing the EDL or sponsoring the far right in europe?
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Same thing - and you asked.

You don't need to be looking for shadowy financiers, you need to look at social conditions and how dissatisfaction is being expressed (i.e deligimation of trad sources of authority - oddly enough leading to calls for them to be restored, breakdown of trad social methods of integration - parties, work, education,housing etc) of. Lake and people like that have no impact whatsoever on that.
 
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I am Muslim practicing and you might call me extremist because of the way I dress and I am disgusted with the small group behaviour ! They are only looking for Media attention! This group has been banned with a majority of Muslims in UK! They are about 20 peoples they are just looking for attention! Only DM will publish this! As they are jut as bad as them !
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Did anything come of that meeting (mentioned a few pages back) where 2 ex EDl were due to speak?
 
Btw, in my time on the left I can remember many many times when one NF sticker or say a letter to my student union from C18 would cause hysterics amongst some of the left groups...

so why are people so dismissive of these ones, they cause fear and resentment as did the NF ones..
 
Pickman's model said:
which would explain why the far-right were so often explicitly anti-semitic until at least the 1990s? the disappearance of its prominence in recent years is more because they've found a new 'near enemy' than their main enemy having changed.
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you don't see any real shift? I mean up to the 90s most far right activists were neonazis, in the classic sense of being Hitler worshippers (or at least the leadership positions were). I wouldn't say the majority of far right are neonazis anymore, and thus Jewish people aren't very high on their list of enemies.
 
treelover said:
Btw, in my time on the left I can remember many many times when one NF sticker or say a letter to my student union from C18 would cause hysterics amongst some of the left groups...

so why are people so dismissive of these ones, they cause fear and resentment as did the NF ones..
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C18 writing letters?
 
treelover said:
Btw, in my time on the left I can remember many many times when one NF sticker or say a letter to my student union from C18 would cause hysterics amongst some of the left groups...

so why are people so dismissive of these ones, they cause fear and resentment as did the NF ones..
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Er.. because they are being siezed on by the mail as evidence of a 'mulsim takeover' - further feeding their shit stirring hate campaign. Why give this Chodray twat free publicity?
 
Anudder Oik said:
It's not a load of Horse... Jewish ghettos were much more "visible" and it was easier for say, the BUF, to stir up anti semitism on a local level. I think that there is a general rule that the newest poorest arrivals to britain are the ones who bear the brunt of racism. The more visible they are the worse they get it.
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The BUF generally didn't have an easy time of it in the working-class areas, though. They were more successful in places like Brixton, which was mostly middle-classish between the wars, but had a small but noticeable Jewish community (noticeable because they were local employers etc).

Would you call a jewish Neighbourhood a ghetto nowadays?
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Insofar as the people that live there tend to live in a geographical community, yes. Just like the Black and Asian "ghettos", and like them, even once the people have moved up and away from the poverty and lack of options that originally put them in such an area, they often still choose to live in communities that reflect their ethnic allegiances. Unfortunately, ghetto is as much a mentality as a physical location.

It pays better for fascist organizations to target easier more "Popular" targets.
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Obviously, but that doesn't mean that the old targets aren't still attacked. Anti-Semitism didn't end in the late '40s with the arrival of the Windrush. I

The anti muslim sentiment being stoked up in Britain is finding ground at a street level because of the "visibility" of its victims and their perceived lack of integration. The perception of Jews in Britain has changed tremendously since the 40's.
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Anti-Muslim sentiment is gaining ground not just because of visibility or lack of integration, but because it suits the political narrative. They're the current "enemy within" that those in power can use as a diversion from the real reasons for poor services, scarcity of social resources etc, i.e. their own policies.

Sure, anti semitism persisted within the NF up until the 90's but I rarely came across it on the street/at school when I was living in London, late 70's early 80's.
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Let me guess, you're not Jewish? :D
Believe you me, it was still there. The only boon of being Jewish was that if you didn't wear any obvious Jewish symbols/paraphenalia, the thick anti-Semite cunts didn't know "what" you were. Just made me more likely to have my "star of David" pendant in clear sight. :)

Racism was, however, rife, and was directed at blacks and Pakistanis. They had a slogan "If you want a N for a neighbour, vote labour" That just wouldn't have galvanized support for them if had referred to Jews.
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That slogan was from the 1960s, and was coined by a Conservative prospective parliamentary candidate.
A lot of racism back in the '70s was to do with ignorance, though, not hate, it was about not understanding that someone could have a different culture, but be every bit as "civilised" as a white English person. A lot of the current shit the EDL and other racists trade in is also ignorance, although in the case of people like Yakmeat-Lemon, it's the willful ignorance of a politically-motivated person, not the ignorance of someone who's not au fait with other cultures.
I've got no time for the willfully ignorant racists who want to "smash Islam", but I don't reckon giving a kicking to someone who's merely ignorant is going to work too well. How to tell the one from the other, though, That's a problem.

What the fuck is a christian zionist?
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Right-wing American Christians who support the state of Israel and it's disgusting policies so that they can speed up Judgement Day, the psychotic cunts.
 
treelover said:
Btw, in my time on the left I can remember many many times when one NF sticker or say a letter to my student union from C18 would cause hysterics amongst some of the left groups...

so why are people so dismissive of these ones, they cause fear and resentment as did the NF ones..
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The difference is that these "Shariah zone" stickers are being posted by a tiny minority of an ethnic minority as a "threat" to a massive majority. The NF stickers (the Asif one was "popular" in my neck of the woods, on just about every lamp-post and in just about every phone-box) were posted by people from the ethnic majority and deliberately targeted racially-mixed neighbourhoods
 
ViolentPanda said:
The difference is that these "Shariah zone" stickers are being posted by a tiny minority of an ethnic minority as a "threat" to a massive majority. The NF stickers (the Asif one was "popular" in my neck of the woods, on just about every lamp-post and in just about every phone-box) were posted by people from the ethnic majority and deliberately targeted racially-mixed neighbourhoods
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There were at its height 17,000 members of the NF too. Not all posting stickers of course, nevertheless, NF stickers and graffiti was in abundance. Then there was that W.I.S.E shit, linked to Dowager Lady Jane Birdwood. In addition, the milkman and British Movement crap to contend with.
 
audiotech said:
There were at its height 17,000 members of the NF too. Not all posting stickers of course, nevertheless, NF stickers and graffiti was in abundance. Then there was that W.I.S.E shit, linked to Dowager Lady Jane Birdwood. In addition, the milkman and British Movement crap to contend with.
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Now there's a blast from the past, old Birdbrain! Someone I wished a lonely death to more than once.
 
audiotech said:
There were at its height 17,000 members of the NF too. Not all posting stickers of course, nevertheless, NF stickers and graffiti was in abundance. Then there was that W.I.S.E shit, linked to Dowager Lady Jane Birdwood. In addition, the milkman and British Movement crap to contend with.
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Good grief, the poor man's Eddie Shoestring himself. Even Ray "I'm not fash now, honest guv (well maybe just a bit)" Hill cut a more dashing figure than the Milkman from Mersey.
 
treelover said:
Btw, in my time on the left I can remember many many times when one NF sticker or say a letter to my student union from C18 would cause hysterics amongst some of the left groups...

so why are people so dismissive of these ones, they cause fear and resentment as did the NF ones..
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I'd never have guessed that was coming...
 
treelover said:
Btw, in my time on the left I can remember many many times when one NF sticker or say a letter to my student union from C18 would cause hysterics amongst some of the left groups...

so why are people so dismissive of these ones, they cause fear and resentment as did the NF ones..
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Again, I'm slightly confused.

It's a reasonably well-known fact that one man with a lot of stickers can give the impression of a far wider distress, despite the patent lack of any actual threat.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Now there's a blast from the past, old Birdbrain! Someone I wished a lonely death to more than once.
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panda! sid williamson, arse clown extraordinaire actually boaked, on lady birdbath! read all about it in 'macmalatesta's' scabrous article!
http://malatesta32.wordpress.com/2010/10/29/sid-williamson-is-back/
there is some debate on the EDL support facebook page as to whether lake still has anything to do with EDL. they are denying it. if anyone has any links with firm evidence can they post it? as for the meeting with the 2 EDL clowns, they claimed they had been conned and that they were still EDL and they bailed. cant remember where that was posted tho!
 
Twat though he is, he didn't say that did he? He said he'd be happy to execute people who want to overthrow the state and institute a sharia based system of law. I expect he would like to execute communists too. Where
 
Yes, he said he wished to execute islamic militants - 'people like that', with 'people like that' being characterised as people who want to overthrow the state and institute a sharia based system of law. Not Muslims. Which is what you claimed. If you're going to cherry pick quotes from the vid the edl could just as easily use Lowles claim that Lake was far more 'extreme' and 'hardline' than the edl and that most edl people would never have even heard of him. Unless you're careful the attempt to link Lake to the edl can be thrown right back at you.
 
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