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[ViolentPanda]

I she the one who organised all that stuff against the miners' strike?

I wouldn't say "organised", but she jumped on every right-wing band-wagon that came along from the end of the war till her death. She was probably most notorious for getting in there with McWhirter and his fellow tosspots at Grunwick.

 

[barney_pig]

I don't want to get bogged down in this but surely they are Christians who support zionists rather than Christian Zionists?

I would prefer to get bck to my question about who is financing the EDL or sponsoring the far right in europe?

No, you have got that completely wrong. Christian Zionism is absolutely not 'christians who support zionists' Christian zionism is a particular fundamentalist christian position that taking its cue from verses in Revelations that the 'end times' and rapture cannot take place until all the jews are gathered back in Israel whereupon they will either all be converted to christianity or killed depending on the sympathies of the reader.
Christian Zionism is in no way incompatible with some of the most violent of anti semitic beliefs.

 

[Corax]

No, you have got that completely wrong. Christian Zionism is absolutely not 'christians who support zionists' Christian zionism is a particular fundamentalist christian position that taking its cue from verses in Revelations that the 'end times' and rapture cannot take place until all the jews are gathered back in Israel whereupon they will either all be converted to christianity or killed depending on the sympathies of the reader.
Christian Zionism is in no way incompatible with some of the most violent of anti semitic beliefs.

Can you imagine what would happen if one of that lot got into some sort of position of power?!!?!

 

[The39thStep]

I knew she'd croaked. One less to worry about.

I came across her and two other elderly people giving out anti immigration leaflets outside the Wembley Town hall in the early 80s.

 

[The39thStep]

The jewish ghetto arguement is interesting but it wouldn't explain why the BUF in the 1930s managed to build and gain support in areas that had few Jews. It did well in Anglia and the North East for example.

 

[butchersapron]

I think there's one large factor in 20th fascist anti-Semitism that's being missed here - it was often tied up with the soviet union, jews being the driving factor as part of the global conspiracy - the collapse of the USSR removed a key supporting strut of that approach. The fevered link making that these types love have now moved onto the 'liberal-elite', and the liberal elite are very definitely anti-Israel, therefore the strings must not be being pulled by ze jews anymore.

 

[antifa_hooligan]

Yes, he said he wished to execute islamic militants - 'people like that', with 'people like that' being characterised as people who want to overthrow the state and institute a sharia based system of law. Not Muslims.

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so islamic militants arent muslim then? youre an idiot.

 

[butchersapron]

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Of they're muslims, they're not all muslims - which was your daft claim was suggesting Lake meant.

 

[treelover]

'Can you imagine what would happen if one of that lot got into some sort of position of power?!!?!


Aren't some of the Tea Party Reps like that, endorsing The Rapture and eulogising the Israelis..

 

[sihhi]

Just a random thought, does anyone know what EDL members think of Muslim - British(Non-Muslim) marriage?
Has the leadership ever spoken about it? I know they're very keen to stress mixed race members and mixed partners.

 

[veltins]

Just a random thought, does anyone know what EDL members think of Muslim - British(Non-Muslim) marriage?
Has the leadership ever spoken about it? I know they're very keen to stress mixed race members and mixed partners.

Honest answer – all the lads I know who support the edl couldn’t give a fuck what colour u are or who u r married to. I know that’s not the answer people on here are looking for or probably believe but it’s the truth in my experiance. Its not about colour its about culture. I and the lads I know and speak to genuinely feel threatened and are afraid for our kids future by the spread of islam and its ideology in this country. Now most reading this will say that is an unfounded fear and there lays the difference I suppose.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The jewish ghetto arguement is interesting but it wouldn't explain why the BUF in the 1930s managed to build and gain support in areas that had few Jews. It did well in Anglia and the North East for example.

What does explain it is that a lot of those who donated to (as opposed to joined) the BUF were solidly bourgeois or upper class. Also, IIRC Dorril explained in "Blackshirt" that (in a scenario that was eerily re-enacted not too long ago w/r/t blood-sports and the Countryside Alliance) some rural employers/landowners enrolled their male employees as members of the BUF and insisted on them attending local speeches etc.

Mosley oscillated wildly on anti-Semitism until he'd committed himself to fascism (if he can actually be said to have ever committed himself to anything other than self-worship), and his anti-Jewish rhetoric was pure Hitler - inspiring to those who already had an animus against Jews, but it didn't work to turn people against Jews, especially those who lived cheek-by-jowl with Jews in the so-called ghettos. IMO, the British working class have very little to apologise for w/r/t anti-Semitism. The so-called "higher classes", on the other hand...

 

[Deareg]

Honest answer – all the lads I know who support the edl couldn’t give a fuck what colour u are or who u r married to. I know that’s not the answer people on here are looking for or probably believe but it’s the truth in my experiance. Its not about colour its about culture. I and the lads I know and speak to genuinely feel threatened and are afraid for our kids future by the spread of islam and its ideology in this country. Now most reading this will say that is an unfounded fear and there lays the difference I suppose.

Strange then that all we ever seem to hear out of the mouths of EDL members and supporters is racist and right wing bile.

 

[audiotech]

Honest answer – all the lads I know who support the edl couldn’t give a fuck what colour u are or who u r married to. I know that’s not the answer people on here are looking for or probably believe but it’s the truth in my experiance. Its not about colour its about culture. I and the lads I know and speak to genuinely feel threatened and are afraid for our kids future by the spread of islam and its ideology in this country. Now most reading this will say that is an unfounded fear and there lays the difference I suppose.

Fear of the unknown. Have these "lads" you know ever taken the time to speak to a Muslim?

 

[antifa_hooligan]

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Of they're muslims, they're not all muslims - which was your daft claim was suggesting Lake meant.

really? show me where I said anything of the sort. idiot.

 

[butchersapron]

really? show me where I said anything of the sort. idiot.

Here

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=957_1311520002

a link to an interview with alan lake where he admits to give funding the EDL. Oh and his desire to execute muslims.

Not exactly covering yourself in glory here are you?

 

[sihhi]

Honest answer – all the lads I know who support the edl couldn’t give a fuck what colour u are or who u r married to. I know that’s not the answer people on here are looking for or probably believe but it’s the truth in my experiance. Its not about colour its about culture. I and the lads I know and speak to genuinely feel threatened and are afraid for our kids future by the spread of islam and its ideology in this country. Now most reading this will say that is an unfounded fear and there lays the difference I suppose.

But if non-Muslim English people (of any colour) marry Muslims their kids will grow up as Muslims - in plenty of cases anyway.

That means Islam is spread into the future generation (the kids).

 

[ViolentPanda]

Honest answer – all the lads I know who support the edl couldn’t give a fuck what colour u are or who u r married to. I know that’s not the answer people on here are looking for or probably believe but it’s the truth in my experiance. Its not about colour its about culture. I and the lads I know and speak to genuinely feel threatened and are afraid for our kids future by the spread of islam and its ideology in this country. Now most reading this will say that is an unfounded fear and there lays the difference I suppose.

I live in an area with a mosque that produced a couple of our homegrown "Islamists". I used to live 100 metres from Balham mosque, and a couple of years later less than 50 metres from Streatham mosque (most of the early mosques were in cheap working class areas). I also grew up around Muslims and was even fostered by a Muslim family for 2 years, so I have a fairly good understanding of Islam, and of it's adherents. Most of them aren't interested in proselytising, or about forcing cultural segregation, they're interested in getting by, in their kids doing well at school, in not having people who haven't got a clue shouting in their faces about how all Muslims are suicide bombers or members of rape-gangs.

Me, I'm no more worried by Islam than I am by Catholicism or Hinduism. What I do worry about are extremists of any stripe, and they pop up whatever denomination or ethnicity you're talking about. It's not Islam you should be worried about, it's those who call themselves "Islamists".

 

[ViolentPanda]

Fear of the unknown. Have these "lads" you know ever taken the time to speak to a Muslim?

This is what I always wonder, because I grew up around Muslims, Hindus, Christians of various sorts from High Anglican to pentecostal, and even given my own limited knowledge of Muslim (or, more accurately, north-eastern Pakistani transplanted to London) culture, I've never seen anything to fear. What I do fear is the wingnuts of any faith or ideology who twist words and ideas to suit their own agendas.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Pretty good discussion here.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/audio/2011/jul/28/focus-podcast-far-right

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

This is what I always wonder, because I grew up around Muslims, Hindus, Christians of various sorts from High Anglican to pentecostal, and even given my own limited knowledge of Muslim (or, more accurately, north-eastern Pakistani transplanted to London) culture, I've never seen anything to fear. What I do fear is the wingnuts of any faith or ideology who twist words and ideas to suit their own agendas.

Absolutely. We live opposite a small mosque, over the road there is a pentacostal church. Heck, we've even got Kurds, Turks and Cypriot-Turks living together peacefully. My mum and dad have been astonished and their views altered from staying up here over past few years, when they've realised that difference isn't something that, per se, causes problems or should be feared.

Fear of the wingnuts otoh....

 

[Corax]

'Can you imagine what would happen if one of that lot got into some sort of position of power?!!?!


Aren't some of the Tea Party Reps like that, endorsing The Rapture and eulogising the Israelis..

Did you sleep through Dubya?

 

[audiotech]

Pretty good discussion here.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/audio/2011/jul/28/focus-podcast-far-right

This reminded me so much of a 'File on 4' programme I recorded over thirty years ago, that I still have on tape somewhere. Same subject matter: far-right groups; immigration; 'paki's'; Enoch Powell mentioned. Depressing.

 

[Ranbay]

English Defence League EDL
The English Defence League will be attending the Norwegian Embassy on Saturday 30th at Belgrave Square at 2pm to lay roses to show our deepest sympathies to those who suffered at the hands of a monster. Let us stand in unity and defend humanity against extremism which must be opposed in all forms. We will always remember Norway in our hearts.
Tommy Robinson

 

[Corax]

English Defence League EDL
The English Defence League will be attending the Norwegian Embassy on Saturday 30th at Belgrave Square at 2pm to lay roses to show our deepest sympathies to those who suffered at the hands of a monster. Let us stand in unity and defend humanity against extremism which must be opposed in all forms. We will always remember Norway in our hearts.
Tommy Robinson

Oh FFS.

 

[Gingerman]

English Defence League EDL
The English Defence League will be attending the Norwegian Embassy on Saturday 30th at Belgrave Square at 2pm to lay roses to show our deepest sympathies to those who suffered at the hands of a monster. Let us stand in unity and defend humanity against extremism which must be opposed in all forms. We will always remember Norway in our hearts.
Tommy Robinson

 

[SpineyNorman]

Probably the least convincing PR stunt I've ever heard of.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

(((((Norway)))))

 

[Gingerman]

English Defence League EDL
The English Defence League will be attending the Norwegian Embassy on Saturday 30th at Belgrave Square at 2pm to lay roses to show our deepest sympathies to those who suffered at the hands of a monster. Let us stand in unity and defend humanity against extremism which must be opposed in all forms. We will always remember Norway in our hearts.
Tommy Robinson

Be nice if the Norwegian Embassy told them where to stick their roses.

 

[audiotech]

Does Yak-Meat-Lemon (cheers for that name suggestion VP) include Norwegian Muslims in his 'tribute'?