EDL in Tower Hamlets on 20/06

[goldenecitrone]

this is insane - every single one of these powers and developments has disproportionately affected the Muslim community. What, do you want the State to actually produce an officially Islamophobic statement of intent before you'll see any kind of anti-Muslim agenda at play?

Islam does have a bit of an image problem though, it must be said. What they need is a better marketing strategy. This is interesting. Wonder if it will do any good.

http://www.inspiredbymuhammad.com/campaign.php

 

[tbaldwin]

this is insane - every single one of these powers and developments has disproportionately affected the Muslim community. What, do you want the State to actually produce an officially Islamophobic statement of intent before you'll see any kind of anti-Muslim agenda at play?

To put things in proportion. All the muslim women who are victims of honour killings and terrorised by their families for not being good muslims are not really effected by any of that.
You seem to think your standing up for muslims against racists and bigots but what about standing up for people born into muslim families who suffer shocking persecution and terror within those families?

 

[Citizen66]

Can't be doing anything like speaking up for vulnerable women. Might make them look like wacists.

 

[ohmyliver]

well how come the veer towards more reactionary forms of Islam have only been occurring since the 80s and the success of the Taliban against the Russians (alongside the destruction of the secular and left-wing movements like the PLO in Palestine and general lefty modernization projects like that of Nassers, etc)? sure, the Saudi's played their part in the destruction of these campaigns, but you can hardly claim that the reversion to this belief isn't a desperate move in the absence of a practical alternative to fighting imperialism?

Actually the 'Islamic revival' started in the 1970s, and was helped/enabled a lot by 70s oil price hikes.

 

[Das Uberdog]

the intellectual movement started earlier, it only started to gain ground amongst ordinary Muslims since 1979

 

[Das Uberdog]

To put things in proportion. All the muslim women who are victims of honour killings and terrorised by their families for not being good muslims are not really effected by any of that.
You seem to think your standing up for muslims against racists and bigots but what about standing up for people born into muslim families who suffer shocking persecution and terror within those families?

you should stand up for abused women on a feminist basis, from the perspective that they are women and oppressed, not on the basis of them being Muslim and you being some enlightened socialist with less rudimentary values.

 

[TopCat]

i'd love to rub your face in a pavement you tanky piece of shit. you gonna be around in Tower Hamlets attacking muslims at this meeting, eh? maybe we can meet up.

I have never met a trot who can scrap.

 

[Citizen66]

Look, I agree with you opposing the EDL. Just on this occasion it appears to the wider community that you're supporting the islamist event. The EDL will use that as a stick to beat you with. This is why the community need to be united in opposing both the EDL and the misogynist islamists.

It might also be beneficial if the left aren't divided about something for a fucking change.

And since when were we forced to choose between feminism and anti-fascism. Seems a strange mindset to compartmentalise them off like that.

 

[Bristly Pioneer]

@citizen66 exactly any response should be a rejection of all divisive hate filled groups coming to the east end. There should be no place for hate in our borough, be it racist, homophobic or sexist.

a clear honest line which the whole community should back and get behind.

 

[ohmyliver]

@citizen66 exactly any response should be a rejection of all divisive hate filled groups coming to the east end. There should be no place for hate in our borough, be it racist, homophobic or sexist.

a clear honest line which the whole community should back and get behind.

exactly, and giving hard line salafists a free pass because they are muslims is patronising in the extreme to the wider muslim community.

 

[ohmyliver]

the intellectual movement started earlier, it only started to gain ground amongst ordinary Muslims since 1979

yes, and helped a lot by the Iranian theocratic take over of their revolution and Afghani successes against the Soviets. But if Saudi money hadn't have put in place imams in commmunities to frame these successes in solely religious terms....

 

[tbaldwin]

you should stand up for abused women on a feminist basis, from the perspective that they are women and oppressed, not on the basis of them being Muslim and you being some enlightened socialist with less rudimentary values.

That just seems a bit dishonest. There are specific problems for muslim women and these seem to be largely ignored.
It makes it really difficult to believe that people like yourself are in any way genuine in your defence of muslim people.

 

[frogwoman]

@ Das Uberdog, Would you be saying the same shit you have if it was a zionist conference attended by a group like Aish Ha-Torah or something like that, and the EDL were protesting against that, would you be saying the anarchists shouldn't get involved and shouldn't be protesting against a group that "everyone hates"?

 

[treelover]

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[frogwoman]

Sure, Tony Blair supported a reprehensible war in Iraq but it wasn't done out of religious motivations. Tony Blair also led Britain into wars against Serbia, was that an example of scapegoating Slavs or Orthodox Christians for a domestic political agenda?

I actually agree with some of the stuff DA is saying about the scapegoating of Muslims. Where i disagree with him is over the fact that this somehow means that people who preach an extreme form of Islam which is opposed by the majority of the Muslim community should not be opposed as this is somehow capitulating to the state's agenda. As for Serbia, take a look at some of the propaganda that was going around the time about Serbs. Change a few words and Im sorry but it you could have been looking at something from the 30s.

 

[frogwoman]

How does this sound to you DA?

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anyone who can't comprehend how counter-productive it would be for the left to start actively pursuing powerless zionist sects, whose retrogressive political opinions though isolated still represent a genuine grievance with society on behalf of the Jewish community, are too moronic for me to even attempt conversation with.

yeah, you go ahead and protest against Jewish extremism 'from the left', applying yet further pressure on a marginalized community to declare their solidarity with soppish liberal values against evIL zionist authoritarians. it's so ridiculous it's untrue. what fucking planet are you on? just because you're too fucking cowardly to actually defend the Jewish community properly (which involves understanding that oppressed communities often turn towards reactionary ideas, and that the way to wean them off these is not to seemingly join in with establishment demands that as a community they must 'know their place') and take hard arguments to the rest of the working class, you cave to general public pressure and join the rancorous denunciation of specific 'alien' values.

 

[Dan U]

I am aware that there is growing concern amongst staff about community safety following articles in the national and local press that the English Defence League is planning to hold a potentially divisive demonstration in Tower Hamlets on 20th June.



That date was chosen deliberately to coincide with an all day Islamic conference that is taking place at the Troxy. A number of invited speakers have allegedly expressed extreme views.



Today the Leader of the Council, Cllr Helal Abbas, and Deputy Leader Cllr Josh Peck, have released a statement in response to both the conference and the demonstration.



Cllr Abbas said: “I want to ask all sections of our diverse and vibrant community to hold their nerve but be vigilant in the face of this blatant attempt at division along crude racial and religious lines. There is no place for extremism of any description in Tower Hamlets.

“We are a strong community with so much to be proud of. As Leader of the Council I will do everything in my power to ensure our community stays safe and secure using all the resources and influence at my disposal.

“Whilst the Troxy is a commercial company they must comply with the law and have regard to the impact such an event will have on social cohesion in Tower Hamlets. The Council has encouraged the Troxy to sign up to the 'No Place for Hate' campaign and indeed they were happy to do so. To date over 700 people and 70 organisations have signed our 'No Place for Hate' pledge.”

Councillor Josh Peck, Deputy Leader of the Council, commented, “This conference is not supported in any way by the council and we call upon the Troxy to call off this conference in the interests of public safety and social cohesion. The views attributed to some of the speakers is completely at odds with our continuing work in building One Tower Hamlets. If necessary we will review our working relationship with the Troxy.”

Councillor Helal Abbas continues, “I will be asking the Police to explore all avenues open to them to ensure both the conference and the EDL demonstration do not take place in Tower Hamlets. Neither is representative of Tower Hamlets and will cause great distress to the people of the borough. If you feel threatened or unsafe please contact the Police directly or you can contact my office using the details below.”

The Council will continue to work with the Police, the Interfaith Forum and other local partners. We have all worked hard through the Tower Hamlets partnership to ensure a harmonious and cohesive community behind the banner of One Tower Hamlets. This has had some success and is borne out from the findings of our recent residents' survey. We will not accept attempts to divide our communities.

got sent this from someone i know at TH

 

[frogwoman]

 

[Bristly Pioneer]

Just heard the conference at the Troxy has been cancelled!

 

[frogwoman]

 

[Bristly Pioneer]

now the EDL will have to cancel, or show their true intentions, those being to come to Tower Hamlets to cause trouble and division.

They can no longer claim to be coming to oppose a hate filled conference

 

[frogwoman]

Glad to see that the conference has been cancelled.

 

[Luther Blissett]

Troxy says "No Place for Hate" here and cancels contraversial conference

A controversial Islamic conference due to take place on June 20 has been scrapped by the Troxy.

The Commercial Road venue was set to host 'The Book that Shook the World' but has changed its position after signing a council pledge.

A spokesman for the Troxy said: "We recently signed up to the council's No Place for Hate campaign and feel that some of the speakers have the potential to clash with the terms of the pledge."

http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co....y=newsela&itemid=WeED10 Jun 2010 12:11:44:280

 

[Luther Blissett]

Glad to see that the conference has been cancelled.

Yeah but some of the EDL are still planning to go - they've bought their tickets.

 

[frogwoman]

*facepalm* Maybe a la Stormfront they'll have the confernce pretending to be Muslims.

 

[Luther Blissett]

*facepalm* Maybe a la Stormfront they'll have the confernce pretending to be Muslims.

No - I think they'll try and target the mosque a la SIOE

 

[Luther Blissett]

Majority of EDL members still want to go, esp. those who already bought their tickets. They now want to target the mosque. They know their presence will be found threatening by Muslims and they think that Muslims will 'light the powder keg' and riots will spread out of control across the country.

Nice bunch of lads @EDL. Hoping to spread riots across the country with their anti-Muslim hate demos.

 

[IC3D]

No - I think they'll try and target the mosque a la SIOE

By bottling it and letting the SWP whip up everyone into a frenzy for the media you mean.

 

[audiotech]

Ok dickhead

 

[veltins]

Majority of EDL members still want to go, esp. those who already bought their tickets. They now want to target the mosque. They know their presence will be found threatening by Muslims and they think that Muslims will 'light the powder keg' and riots will spread out of control across the country.

Nice bunch of lads @EDL. Hoping to spread riots across the country with their anti-Muslim hate demos.

typical bullshit, The EDL demo is cancelled