On the subject or whether the US would put in an extradition request I suspect that he'd have stood a better chance of avoiding it under Obama. We'll never know but I think its a real possibility under Trump, its the sort of grandstanding that he is so fond of. Obama pardoned Manning after all, admittedly as a passing gesture.
Ecuador would like Julian Assange out of their embassy by the sounds of it.
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Idris2002
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Ecuador is in South America (I'm sorry I couldn't help myself).
cupid_stunt
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Yeah, that's been all over the news today.
IIRC a host country has a veto over other countries bringing in staff with diplomatic status, would seem sensible, otherwise a state could slowly import a complete army!
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Google news seems to have only picked up the story an hour ago (according to my search), I wonder how they missed it. There was speculation in the NYT this morning by no confirmation from Ecuador
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cupid_stunt
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Was it speculation or stated as fact? Looking at the news from Ecuador, it says they only confirmed it at lunchtimeIt was on the breakfast telly news.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Was it speculation or stated as fact? Looking at the news from Ecuador, it says they only confirmed it at lunchtime
It was reported as fact that diplomatic status had been declined, but, here's where the confusion could be, that refusal was based on 'reports' concerning his citizenship, which seems to have been confirmed somewhat later.
Here's a report from late yesterday - Julian Assange’s bid for diplomatic status rejected by Britain
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Reports of sounds of crockery smashing prompted the dispatch of armed police to the Ecuadorian ambassador's residence this afternoon, where they found the envoy apoplectic that he had to put up with Assange for some time yet.
The SA`s have adapted around the CIA. One deathsquad/coup too many. Yes means yes.
Funny, all I can see on this board is a lot of astute reports about the Russia - Trump lies. Mind you I do tend to filter out absolute crap.
The search function isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. So:
Me: He’s a nonce.
You: It’s made up by the CIA.
Me: You’re a nonce apologist.
/End of thread.
Shit troll TBH.
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Yes I think that is the confusion, there was talk of making Assange a diplomat to break the deadlock, surprisingly, one does not have to be a citizen of a country to be a diplomat for that country, for example, if a country breaks off diplomatic relations with another country they can have a third party (usually a country but can be a person) to act as their "diplomatic representative", so that there is some form of contact if necessary. In Assange's case I can see why the UK would reject him acting as a "third party" diplomat, now he is a citizen maybe there is some form of appeal to the UKs rejection to the UN.
iirc a UN panel declared him to be under "arbitrary detention" and said it was a breach of his rights under international humanitarian law, the UK appealed but lost their appeal. I think Sweden has dropped the cases against him so now he just faces charges regarding breaching bail in the UK, I'm sure some solution will be found soon, even if it is packing him off as diplomatic mail
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I think Sweden has dropped the cases against him so now he just faces charges regarding breaching bail in the UK, I'm sure some solution will be found soon, even if it is packing him off as diplomatic mail
I think Sweden have done so on the basis that there is no realistic prospect of getting an interview with him for the forseeable future. I believe they have said they will reopen the case if he pops up in Sweden (which doesn't seem likely), or if they can get an interview.
Presumably, if he does come out of the embassy they can - if they want to - resubmit their extradition request and we can go through all this again?
(I am very much not a lawyer or an expert on law!)
Obviously that’s the abridged version but that’s how it would play out. Why waste time?
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yeh cut to the chase, mm. i demand novelty not some long drawn out and predictable scenario.
Oh your serious ! Sorry
Do you really need me to be involved ? .. ok .. lets seeNo your a peado
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Oh your serious ! Sorry
No your a peado
You’re a paedo
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Assange has the same public relations issue that Donald Trump does. His approval ratings would probably go up if he just stopped being an ass for a while.
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Oh your serious ! Sorry
No your a peado
At least Savile was too weird to be anyone’s hero. Although he did have some admirers, in stranger quarters.
Oh my! Now your having ago at Savile ! Its the C IA`s i tells yers blbla your the peado bla
They created the moon and bow down to a giant penis in Autumn. In the desert.
Hang on, this isn’t the general forum. As you were.
Hang on, this isn’t the general forum. As you were.
agricola
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Yes I think that is the confusion, there was talk of making Assange a diplomat to break the deadlock, surprisingly, one does not have to be a citizen of a country to be a diplomat for that country, for example, if a country breaks off diplomatic relations with another country they can have a third party (usually a country but can be a person) to act as their "diplomatic representative", so that there is some form of contact if necessary. In Assange's case I can see why the UK would reject him acting as a "third party" diplomat, now he is a citizen maybe there is some form of appeal to the UKs rejection to the UN.
iirc a UN panel declared him to be under "arbitrary detention" and said it was a breach of his rights under international humanitarian law, the UK appealed but lost their appeal. I think Sweden has dropped the cases against him so now he just faces charges regarding breaching bail in the UK, I'm sure some solution will be found soon, even if it is packing him off as diplomatic mail
In many ways its a shame that Assange / Ecuador don't push the diplomat idea a bit - not that it wouldn't be a completely fraudulent application deliberately designed to avoid justice, but rather that it would highlight that senior British ministers have seen nothing wrong in people being named diplomats via an entirely fraudulent application deliberately designed to avoid justice in the past.
Bollocks, I thought I'd checked that when I checked my recollection of Ecuador being at the centre of the cia's abuse.
Thanks for the correction
(this comment deliberately vague to avoid further embarrassment)
Sweden is still in Europe though? Assange is still accused of sexual assault there (although on hold)? The US hasn't made any known attempt to extradite? Or even bring any charges relating to Assange? Assange is still on record as claiming Sweden to be one of the most free countries in the world (considering a change of citizenship?) before the sexual assault allegations? He only noticed their extraordinary rendition scandal after his behaviour was questioned?
I'm sure some of that is wrong too
:-/
Well in this postmodern world nothing is real and you are entitled to believe anything you want apparently. Quite who it is that allows or denies entitlement I`m not really sure LOL -THE THOUGHT POLICE 
Your in no way being stupid to question the independent establishment on this one, which is what Jaclyn Friedman was doing here:
Your in no way being stupid to question the independent establishment on this one, which is what Jaclyn Friedman was doing here:
MochaSoul
It's being enslaved of your own free will
Well in this postmodern world nothing is real and you are entitled to believe anything you want apparently. Quite who it is that allows or denies entitlement I`m not really sure LOL -THE THOUGHT POLICE
What part of what she said prevents you from questioning whatever you want?
She's making a very valid point that if the woman is already afraid of a violent reaction to rejection of the man's sexual advances then her "consent" can be could be seen as having been obtained under coercion. It's not that difficult to imagine that. Would you be surprised to know that, for example, women in abusive relationships routinely consent to sex, not because they want sex, but because they are afraid to say no to a man they already know to behave violently or because they feel the need (for their own survival or for fear or him taking it out on the kids) to appease their partner as soon as they get through the door from work or the pub?
Why is it so difficult to imagine that if a guy has already gone as far as initiate sex while she was sleeping that she's entitled to think he may go further than that?
Whatever you may think of the political circumstances of the whole debacle, the women were the only losers. Neither Assange, nor Sweden, nor the US, nor the UK and nor Ecuador once thought they had a responsibility to bring the judicial inquiry into the alleged rapes to a meaningful conclusion that should have come before whatever else they may have against Assange. That says a whole lot about all of them.
Thats why I just linked to that you fool.
You think he`s a peado as well?
You think he`s a peado as well?
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1%er
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It seems to me that it is time to re-look at diplomatic immunity, the world has moved on a great deal since 1961 and the reasons for introducing this measure could easily be dealt with in a better manor. Across the globe there are many examples of diplomatic immunity being misused, from the example you linked to above to diplomats causing death and getting away without facing justice.
That is the reason according to this
Julian Assange’s poor hygiene sparks complaints at embassy
Never knew he was a crust punk: thumbs: He is `down with the kids `
( and no I did not mean it in that sense you filthy so and so)
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Yeh. As you see, I wasn't jokingThat is the reason according to this
Julian Assange’s poor hygiene sparks complaints at embassy
Never knew he was a crust punk: thumbs: He is `down with the kids `: cooland no I did not mean it in that sense you filthy so and so)
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