Driving Standards

[nick]

I didn't study it closely enough to get those points, and didn't reference the time stamp of the video to extant ASL legislation but....

I can understand chasing after someone who had driven off like a cunt in that manner after being asked / told to respect the ASL. and I can understand the urge to bang on the window and shout. I'm sure many others can as well.
SO to revise my statement. I hope the passenger got done for ABH / GBH whatever. and I hope the driver got at least a talking to for dangerous driving.

but then I accept that today I am being a cyclist, so may perspective is potentially warped. However, once I get home from work I need to get into my 3L v6 penis replacement and drive down to Croydon - so will then be able to see the other side of the debate

 

[nick]

I suspect that cyclists are more sanctimonious than drivers. They certainly shout louder at other miscreants and their own rights and often see themselves above the law.
I think drivers tend to shrug their shoulders more and move on.

More to lose when it all goes south may have something to do with it

I've yet to meet a driver (me included) who merely shrugs if someone so much as touches their car.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Tbh, if the cops actually gave a shit about the rules of the road then drivers wouldn't break the law and there would be no need for cyclists to take it into their own hands.

 

[nick]

And yes many / most people see themselves as above the law, on the road and elsewhere. (Cyclist or not) The list includes, but is not limited to:
Phone whilst driving
Stopping in ASL
Not stopping at red lights
Underage drinking
Illegal recreationals
illegal sexual activity
ripping music and videos
fare dodging

Name me anyone on Urban, and in real life that can't tick at least one of those boxes? I think have done the lot at some point in my life

 

[hash tag]

Not enough cops, too many law breakers, too many other things to worry about.
Too little respect for the law in this country.

 

[sleaterkinney]

The only people bothered about being videoed are those who drive like cunts themselves.

 

[sleaterkinney]

And yes many / most people see themselves as above the law, on the road and elsewhere. (Cyclist or not) The list includes, but is not limited to:
Phone whilst driving
Stopping in ASL
Not stopping at red lights
Underage drinking
Illegal recreationals
illegal sexual activity
ripping music and videos
fare dodging

Name me anyone on Urban, and in real life that can't tick at least one of those boxes? I think have done the lot at some point in my life

There's a difference between ripping music and running a red, though, isn't there?..

 

[nick]

Dunno. For my sins I have to take my son to see Millwall.
Football "fans" seem to object to having the opposing fans video them on their phones. It is some sort of "thing" and seems to raise the tension a touch. .I have no idea if football fans drive like cunts

 

[nick]

There's running reds and running reds
there's ripping music and ripping music

 

[Spymaster]

I can understand the urge to bang on the window and shout. I'm sure many others can as well.

Resist the urge. You are not policemen and if you bang on enough cars, sooner or later you're going to get your lights punched out.

 

[sleaterkinney]

I just cycle in front of them and set off slowly.

 

[nick]

I tend not to run reds (as it takes away my moral high ground ) - but have been known to go through a red pededstrian crossing late at night with no foot or vehicular activity nearby. It's not the same as cycling / driving across Oxford St / Regent St against a red

I have ripped music. It isn't the same as then making multiple copies and selling them

 

[nick]

I just cycle in front of them and set off slowly.

Yep I've done it too. Though it always has the risk, as Spy intimates, of you ending up smeared over someone's bonnet

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Telling someone they have stopped all over the ASL in a pinch point in the road - then getting punched for it (after an aggressive bit of acceleration from the Audi) seems a disproportionate reward. I hope the driver got prosecuted for that

All the cyclists had arrived, the Audi had stopped behind the ASL, then as the time to go approached the Audi manoeuvred in to a position to ensure a clean getaway allowing clear passage for the car and the cycles. Text-book stuff. Yon Lycra-hero takes the cream puff and gets his handed to him for his trouble <windordavisohdearphoto>

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I can understand chasing after someone who had driven off like a cunt in that manner

That is where road rage comes from. Your attitude to road-craft needs addressing.

 

[nick]

No one is perfect. Few seem to accept that fact

ETA - I didn't say that I had done it (I haven't) - just that I understand it

 

[nick]

The common binary attitude between car and bike user is depressing and not necessary

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

No one is perfect.

I am, as evidenced by my driving a large, powerful Audi

Few seem to accept that fact

Jealously from those with fewer than 300bhp under their right foot.

ETA - I didn't say that I had done it (I haven't) - just that I understand it

Same thing, tbf.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The common binary attitude between car and bike user is depressing and not necessary

I cycle, and have been hospitalised in London due to the ignorant bollocks of a truck driver.

I drive with consideration. I cycle as I drive. I find a South African coming to the UK to lurk in bushes in order to get medieval on motorists who ignore an advisory sign worthy of locking up. People such as him are clearly not getting up in the morning with the aim of increasing civilised discord in society.

 

[sleaterkinney]

As a cyclist you notice bad driving a lot more, because you’re more easily put in danger than if you’re in a car. You also have to put up with the “bloody cyclists” thing even though you see motorists breaking the law every day, and the cops turning a blind eye, so that's where the attitude comes from.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Have just clocked that there are two videos. Does the person filming camp out on that corner all day for fun?

That's exactly what he does. He thinks he's a cop, and that it's his job to police road users who aren't using the roads to his satisfaction... unless you're a fellow biker, in which case, do as you please.

The only people bothered about being videoed are those who drive like cunts themselves.

We should implement a system where if you drive (or ride) like a cunt, anyone who catches you at it can give you a smack in the mouth, but once the first punch is thrown, all bets are off, and the punchee can fight back. The same system would allow the punching of anybody found to be impersonating a police officer. This way, fewer people would drive/ride like cunts and fewer cyclists would act like bellends. The system would also allow the clothes line technique to be used on any cyclist jumping a red light.
Obviously, It's a brave new plan, but it's only a draft, which will need a little more thought and refining, but you get the idea.

 

[Saul Goodman]

All the cyclists had arrived, the Audi had stopped behind the ASL, then as the time to go approached the Audi manoeuvred in to a position to ensure a clean getaway allowing clear passage for the car and the cycles. Text-book stuff. Yon Lycra-hero takes the cream puff and gets his handed to him for his trouble <windordavisohdearphoto>

This^^^
The Audi driver saw the lights were about to change, checked his mirrors, made room on his left for any bike rider that may wish to avail of the ASL, and drove to the front of the queue, making the road safer for everyone on it. Then, after getting attacked by an angry cyclist for being a good driver, he fears for his life and decides to diffuse the situation by accelerating away from it, only to be chased to the next set of lights by the angry cyclist, who attacks him again, but this time somebody decided enough was enough, and that he wasn't going to allow someone with road (and possibly 'roid?) rage to continue to attack an innocent civilian, so he sparkled the angry cunt. Bravo that man. A true hero!

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

As a cyclist you notice bad driving a lot more, because you’re more easily put in danger than if you’re in a car. You also have to put up with the “bloody cyclists” thing even though you see motorists breaking the law every day, and the cops turning a blind eye, so that's where the attitude comes from.

I see both motorists and cyclists breaking the law with impunity all time. I don’t get riled, I just progress in a manner that is safe for me and my passengers, should I have any, and for other road users. Plus I instruct my kids to know that a huge number of other road users are cunts and to mind how they go.

 

[Saul Goodman]

This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about, and as a biker and Range Rover hater, I'm the perfect person to comment.

This is a similar example to the one in the video above, where cunts on two wheels attack someone on 4 wheels, and the inevitable ensues.

A bunch of bikers decided to intimidate a Range Rover driver, brake checking him until they came to a complete stop, so the Range Rover driver, fearing for his and his family's life, (his wife and 2 year old child were in the car), rode over a bike or two in an attempt to escape the situation, and knocked a rider to the floor, breaking his legs.. The rest of the bike riders chased the Range Rover driver, pulled him out of the car and savagely beat him in front of his wife and 2 year old child.



11 bikers were indicted, including a cop. No charges were brought against the RR driver.

11 Motorcyclists Are Indicted in Assault on an S.U.V. Driver (Published 2013)

The motorcyclists have been indicted in connection with the assault on a man who was driving a Range Rover with his wife and infant son on the Henry Hudson Parkway in September.

www.nytimes.com

This is so similar to the video above. Obviously fewer bikes but when someone is screaming at you through your window, it must be very intimidating, and who knows what might have happened, had it not been for the brave passenger in the Audi.

 

[nick]

I think we will agree to differ on the level of heroism of the driver of the white Audi.

I used to drive an S6 - it was great for transporting bikes. That makes me feel conflicted

 

[Saul Goodman]

I think we will agree to differ on the level of heroism of the driver of the white Audi.

I used to drive an S6 - it was great for transporting bikes. That makes me feel conflicted

'As a biker' ( ), I'm the first to call out bad driving, but the Audi driver did nothing wrong. He went out of his way to make the road safer for all of its users, but because the cyclist wasn't versed in proper and safe road use, he took it upon himself to attack someone whose only crime was 'thinking of other road users'. It's a classic case for compulsory training and testing for all road users, and compulsory registration of bicycles, so cyclists who choose to partake of road rage can be tracked and prosecuted.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about, and as a biker and Range Rover hater, I'm the perfect person to comment.

This is a similar example to the one in the video above, where cunts on two wheels attack someone on 4 wheels, and the inevitable ensues.

A bunch of bikers decided to intimidate a Range Rover driver, brake checking him until they came to a complete stop, so the Range Rover driver, fearing for his and his family's life, (his wife and 2 year old child were in the car), rode over a bike or two in an attempt to escape the situation, and knocked a rider to the floor, breaking his legs.. The rest of the bike riders chased the Range Rover driver, pulled him out of the car and savagely beat him in front of his wife and 2 year old child.



11 bikers were indicted, including a cop. No charges were brought against the RR driver.

11 Motorcyclists Are Indicted in Assault on an S.U.V. Driver (Published 2013)

The motorcyclists have been indicted in connection with the assault on a man who was driving a Range Rover with his wife and infant son on the Henry Hudson Parkway in September.

www.nytimes.com

This is so similar to the video above. Obviously fewer bikes but when someone is screaming at you through your window, it must be very intimidating, and who knows what might have happened, had it not been for the brave passenger in the Audi.

Of course never been a fan of the NRA, but if that Range Rover had Texas plates I would imagine your NY biker heroes may have held back a tad. What a fucking world.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Of course never been a fan of the NRA, but if that Range Rover had Texas plates I would imagine your NY biker heroes may have held back a tad. What a fucking world.

They're not my heroes. I don't think the RR driver took enough of them out. My point is/was that arguing with someone on 4 wheels, when you're on 2 wheels, will only ever end badly for the person on two wheels. I don't condone what the bikers did. Quite the opposite. If I was driving the RR, I'd have put it in reverse, to make sure my attackers couldn't follow me, and I'd have run over every single one of them, until I knew my wife and child were safe, and if I happened to be a gun toting Texan, I'd have emptied multiple clips into those bikers, because my life is worth much more than their lives.

Road rage is a terrible affliction, but, as we've seen above, it doesn't only affect people on 4 wheels, it also affects those on 2 wheels, whether powered by an IC engine or otherwise, and it's quite clear, to anyone who wants to face facts, that the more vulnerable you feel as a road user, the more likely you are to partake of road rage, with cyclists at the top of the rage tree.

 

[T & P]

As a cyclist you notice bad driving a lot more, because you’re more easily put in danger than if you’re in a car. You also have to put up with the “bloody cyclists” thing even though you see motorists breaking the law every day, and the cops turning a blind eye, so that's where the attitude comes from.

There is massive tribalism in this country when it comes to different type of road users compared with the vibe I’ve got in various European cities with a heavy- often much heavier- cyclist presence.

I was in Berlin recently and car drivers seem on the whole to be far more cautious and considerate around cyclists than in here. But equally, most cyclists obeyed traffic laws religiously. Almost everyone (90% or more I reckon) stopped and waited at red traffic lights even if there were no peds crossing. In London you’d be happy to see 25% compliance in the same circumstances. Even pedestrians wait for the green man with completely empty roads.

Having said that, I find such rigid approach annoying as fuck so ideally we could adopt the attitude and consideration shown by our Continental neighbours without being so absurdly fastidious as to ALWAYS wait for the light to change on a completely empty road when it is virtually 100% safe to cross the road at that time. Jaywalking is one of the few instances when often Germans tut at tourists who don’t wait for the green man

 

[Saul Goodman]

There is massive tribalism in this country when it comes to different type of road users compared with the vibe I’ve got in various European cities with a heavy- often much heavier- cyclist presence.

I was in Berlin recently and car drivers seem on the whole to be far more cautious and considerate around cyclists than in here. But equally, most cyclists obeyed traffic laws religiously. Almost everyone (90% or more I reckon) stopped and waited at red traffic lights even if there were no peds crossing. In London you’d be happy to see 25% compliance in the same circumstances. Even pedestrians wait for the green man with completely empty roads.

Having said that, I find such rigid approach annoying as fuck so ideally we could adopt the attitude and consideration shown by our Continental neighbours without being so absurdly fastidious as to ALWAYS wait for the light to change on a completely empty road when it is virtually 100% safe to cross the road at that time. Jaywalking is one of the few instances when often Germans tut at tourists who don’t wait for the green man

I don't agree. I think that if a light is red, you should stop at it until it turns green. Unfortunately, ~85% of cyclists don't agree with me.