Saul Goodman
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I'd want to be at one of those raves
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Bahnhof Strasse
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Yeah, but you'd never catch 'em, cos those people are smart, young and full of guile, wit and street-sense, and you're a wanna-be pig.
Saul Goodman
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And there's a fair to strong chance that skidmaster would defecate in his pants and miss the whole operation.
SpookyFrank
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I doubt the filth have the manpower to trawl through large amounts of footage. Then there's court time, several local courts were earmarked for closure on parliament's last day of term.
I don't drive that often but I reckon one journey in three I witness a piece of driving that should be worth an instant ban. More 'minor' stiff like speeding, changing lanes without indicating, cutting people up; there's no point even counting how many times you see that.
I don't know whether dash cam footage is admissible in court. My g/f's dad an incident where someone in a van reversed into him at very low speed then blamed him and tried to claim all sorts of injury compensation. Anyway after that he got a dash cam and his insurer said they are useful but not admissible in court. Could have been talking bollocks of course.
BigTom
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hundreds of drivers (probably into the thousands by now) have been convicted using cycle cam footage under operation close pass by various police forces so I think they are talking bollocks.
BigTom
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They're not exactly trawling through footage though, drivers/riders send them footage with an incident timed/marked so they just watch a small bit of each video then if something happened that might be worthy of action they'll watch the all the video. It's a reasonable amount of hassle to report (in that you have to go to a police station to get a form then give them the footage on a USB stick you'll never get back) which discourages people just giving in every bit of video they record and only submitting the more serious stuff.
I get the impression it's a really easy way to rack up convictions in terms of staffing/costs
Yes, or maybe a different standard applied to insurance claims and the law and general criminality.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
That's coppers recording video footage of an offence though. Not quite such strong evidence when it's a random nutter off the streets doing the recording. A good starting point for a prosecution, but would normally need the perp to bubble himself up once confronted with the video.
BigTom
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No, it's third party video footage. (edit: as well as their own but anyone getting pulled by the police gets a roadside education session and only prosecuted if they refuse to accept what they did wrong or the police find secondary offences)
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Almost everyone has accepted the offence on seeing the video, there's a handful (3 I think) that challenged it, and they were all convicted in court of driving without due care and attention, I think it was on twitter I saw them say that so not going looking for it, but I can remember the first two - one car driver, got 4 points and around £1,000 in fines and costs, one 7.5t driver got 5 points and around £1,000 in fines and costs.
mauvais
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Dashcam footage isn't of an evidentiary standard so wouldn't automatically be useful in court, I don't know about inadmissible. Lots of work went into making things like speed cameras, congestion charging cameras etc evidentiary quality so that there'd be no such challenges.
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Dogsauce
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I reckon if footage was somehow submitted to a panel created by the insurance companies that might have more impact - higher premiums, possibly a refusal of cover or insistence on a ‘black box’ for blatant idiocy or inattention. Imagine the wails of injustice.
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BigTom
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I want to know more about this, if it's not going directly to police that could be an issue, as police only have 14 days to issue a notice of intended prosecution, so I'd want to know any submission will be acting on immediately.
For now if I have anything I'm still going to a police station to submit it personally.
SpookyFrank
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A lesson learned; don't call someone wearing a pink shirt effiminate, especially if he is driving a range rover!
I love how shit actual real-life fights are.
existentialist
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Someone needs to dub some impact sounds on, TBF.
Looby
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I’ve seen some right fucking idiots recently but the winner was the twat who reversed back up a slip road (quite fast) and nearly hit me because there was tailbacks on the road she was joining.
Yesterday I was parking at my friend’s house and there was a couple sat in their car where I wanted to park. There was a huge space but not quite enough room either side of them to get in so I waved and asked if they were going. The driver said they weren’t so I asked if he’d mind moving a bit forward or back. He shouted no then said his car had broken down. He was a bit rude but fair enough. I struggled on then when I’d managed to just about park, he fucking drove off. Prick!
Yesterday I was parking at my friend’s house and there was a couple sat in their car where I wanted to park. There was a huge space but not quite enough room either side of them to get in so I waved and asked if they were going. The driver said they weren’t so I asked if he’d mind moving a bit forward or back. He shouted no then said his car had broken down. He was a bit rude but fair enough. I struggled on then when I’d managed to just about park, he fucking drove off. Prick!
Saul Goodman
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existentialist
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Next time, pop a couple of caltrops down, just to make sure
Fucks sake gramps. How many times have you been told to hold a key between your knuckles? Mum will not be happy.
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
In the same vein...
David Beckham employs 'Mr Loophole' lawyer to fight speeding charge
How can you prove when a non-registered letter arrived?
existentialist
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The way the law on this works is that service is deemed to have taken place 3 (I think) days after the date of posting. There are exceptions for the situation where the letter gets posted to, eg. a hire company who then has to forward it on to the driver.
What has usually happened in previous cases (I did make rather a careful study of this when I seemed to be collecting rather a few of these
) is that the police (or "road safety unit") can be somewhat dilatory in sending out the letters, and the usual test for service-within-period is that the letter has to have been sent (and presumably dated) within 9 days of the alleged offence being committed.All that said, I will laugh like a drain at another footballer not getting away with it, especially if he's decided to be at home to Mister Tricksy in order to try and wriggle out of it.
FTR, I don't seem to collect NIPs nearly so often now. I've a feeling they've blacklisted me
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
FTR, I don't seem to collect NIPs nearly so often now. I've a feeling they've blacklisted me
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I'll pass on some of mine. *altruism*
existentialist
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Actually, it's because I don't dash around so much, and have got used to the local regime (mobile patrols rather than GATSOs).
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