Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Well quite. The laws that people perceive to be stupid are the ones that will most often be ignored.
Roll-out of 20mph speed limits halted
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Roll-out of 20mph speed limits halted
mojo pixy
interesting times
So are we approving or not? Should we pander to that by raising limits? Seems like if enough people fuck speed limits off, they'll get their way. Feels like a race to the bottom, quite honestly. Install black boxes as standard in cars, only remove them for drives with advanced driving cert. Something like that would help no end.
mojo pixy
interesting times
More than one car for every two people in this country says we're already in an irredeemably stupid place to begin with. You seem to be saying the problem is the roads, whereas I believe the problem is drivers. My advanced driving observer would say at the start of every drive, Remember you are in control of the vehicle. Drivers are responsible for what they do, not road planners or law makers or sky faeries.
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Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Oh well, never mind
bimble
floofy
Shit you’re right. He was being patronising .
Sapphireblue
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Shit you’re right. He was being patronising .
if he was on your right he wouldn't be able to see your left indicator though?
there's a lights near me where the junction is quite narrow and both lanes can either go straight on or turn in their respective directions. in that instance it's handy to know the plans of the car next to you so might not have been.
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
The road ahead & left from there turns into 1 lane so i think he was asking in order to give me room to go first?
So, you are in 2 lanes at a junction, there's two options - to turn left or go straight ahead, both only have 1 lane?
Sounds like the lane you were in could be a left turn only lane.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Going in which direction?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
George & Bill
semiotically superfluous
Interesting doublethink here. When cyclists break laws, it's because they're irredeemable assholes. When drivers do it, it must mean the laws are misconceived.
I mean you're right of course, that laws which are widely broken may well be flawed. You just need to try to be more consistent in how you apply this insight.
And of course, there are also other factors to consider. Does the law, despite being widely broken, address a clear and pressing problem (such as, people being killed on residential roads)? Does the law, despite being widely broken, command public support? Is there evidence to demonstrate that it works? Though it's not being widely observed now, are there reasonable means available to enforce it?
Hundreds of people are killed on the roads every year. Obviously we should all be free to criticise the effectiveness of any given measure taken to address this – but if you scoff at and undermine the general effort, you're someone who implicitly supports the violent killing of kids. Obviously I'm not putting Spymaster in that category, necessarily.
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Books, not bombs
If you want an example of flawed laws do you remember Charlie Alliston. He was sent to prison for the 1861 law "wanton and furious driving" for killing a woman pedestrian. A law passed before cars and maybe bicycles had been invented. There has also been much comment of car drivers who kill someone and getting off very lightly.
Unfortunately, you will never get a 100% of the population obeying the law 100% of the time. I imagine most vehicle drivers have broken the law at some point.
Unfortunately, you will never get a 100% of the population obeying the law 100% of the time. I imagine most vehicle drivers have broken the law at some point.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Well of course. Duh! Cyclists are pea-brained fuckwits and should be considered outlaws.
What you’re missing here of course is the fact that this is not about cyclists v motorists and all to do with the fact that there is a stack of evidence that blanket 20s simply DON’T WORK regardless of the mode of transport and can even create a more dangerous environment.
Nobody is suggesting that no roads should have 20 (or even lower) limits.
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Anything less than 2.5ltr can quite frankly be sent straight to the crusher too, with the driver still inside. Get the reps off the road, leaving the way clear for those who know what they're doing.
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This thread has a lot of accusations about BMW drivers and Audi drivers but its become quite apparent to me that they both lag way behind the biggest twats on the road. These days it's all about white mercs, the model varies (I don't think Mercedes make two cars the same these days) but its always white.
This is the absolute go to car if you're a total and utter bell and audi and beemer drivers are being left in their wake.
This is the absolute go to car if you're a total and utter bell and audi and beemer drivers are being left in their wake.
mojo pixy
interesting times
Otherwise known as, drivers evidently ignore 20mph limits because they'd rather drive faster, and people's impatience at being made to drive slowly makes them drive more dangerously. Can create a more dangerous environment lol, as if a dangerous environment suddenly springs up like mushrooms
sleaterkinney
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Police letting motorists off for speeding has meant they think speed limits are optional.
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