Driving Standards

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Is it now a thing that people do not indicate to turn right until after the traffic lights have turned green and they start to pull away.
It is so bloody selfish not to do so. At this junction in this direction, the lights had been red for a short while, I drive up the outside lane
and am second in line. The driver in front waited for the lights to go green and pull away and then indicate to turn right. This appears
to be coming the norm lately

 

[chandlerp]

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[Bahnhof Strasse]

Is it now a thing that people do not indicate to turn right until after the traffic lights have turned green and they start to pull away.
It is so bloody selfish not to do so. At this junction in this direction, the lights had been red for a short while, I drive up the outside lane
and am second in line. The driver in front waited for the lights to go green and pull away and then indicate to turn right. This appears
to be coming the norm lately

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Certainly seems to be happing more and more lately and yeah, proper selfish. But then selfishness seems to be massively on the rise in all walks of life now.

Grumble, grumble...

 

[SpookyFrank]

Is it now a thing that people do not indicate to turn right until after the traffic lights have turned green and they start to pull away.
It is so bloody selfish not to do so. At this junction in this direction, the lights had been red for a short while, I drive up the outside lane
and am second in line. The driver in front waited for the lights to go green and pull away and then indicate to turn right. This appears
to be coming the norm lately

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I'll indicate right even if it's a right turn only lane. Other drivers might not know it's a right turn only lane if I'm parked on the arrow, but they might still need to know where I'm going.

The way some people drive you'd think indicating cost them 5p a go or something. For me it's automatic, and it would be more effort not to do it.

 

[chandlerp]

Me too, and I'm an outlier in the BMW world

 

[Elpenor]

This made me angry; particularly the video shot by the driver which shows him steering with his legs.

Note that the video shows what looks like ideal driving conditions, so the thing that causes the crash is purely the excess speed and the dangerous driving.

The outcome: the death a pregnant woman who was parked on the hard shoulder with a flat tyre and two severely injured children.

Driver who killed pregnant woman in motorway crash jailed

Adil Iqbal filmed himself speeding at 123mph before he ploughed into Frankie Jules-Hough's car.

www.bbc.co.uk

I’ve seen people on the motorway driving like this before, I’m sure most drivers have, and frankly it scares me. And I’ve been pulled up on the hard shoulder before, in a similarly vulnerable position.

I presume that the driver will have to reapply for a licence when released but surely this sort of driving should mean a lifetime ban? I note they had form for driving without insurance and racing on the roads.

I consider myself quite soft on law and order, but speeding and dangerous driving makes me incredibly angry.

Saw a couple of people driving in this fashion on motorways on Friday night, weaving in and out of traffic from fast to slow lane and back again, at speeds of over 90mph at a guess. Suppose if I had a dash cam I might have been able to report them but not sure exactly what would happen next.

Stupid, selfish tossers

 

[T & P]

Is it now a thing that people do not indicate to turn right until after the traffic lights have turned green and they start to pull away.
It is so bloody selfish not to do so. At this junction in this direction, the lights had been red for a short while, I drive up the outside lane
and am second in line. The driver in front waited for the lights to go green and pull away and then indicate to turn right. This appears
to be coming the norm lately

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This is one of my pet hates, and ime has been a thing since I started driving in this country decades ago.

 

[Spymaster]

Is it now a thing that people do not indicate to turn right until after the traffic lights have turned green and they start to pull away.
It is so bloody selfish not to do so. At this junction in this direction, the lights had been red for a short while, I drive up the outside lane
and am second in line. The driver in front waited for the lights to go green and pull away and then indicate to turn right. This appears
to be coming the norm lately

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This has happened since I started driving. Just stay in the left lane if you’re going straight, rather than being pushy and trying to pass a handful of cars by going down the outside when you know it’s 50/50 whether or not some dick in front is turning right and not indicating. I make a point of not letting you people back in when the penny drops and you indicate left to try to undertake the right-turners you’ve got yourself stuck behind.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

This has happened since I started driving. Just stay in the left lane if you’re going straight, rather than being pushy and trying to pass a handful of cars by going down the outside when you know it’s 50/50 whether or not some dick in front is turning right and not indicating. I make a point of not letting you people back in when the penny drops and you indicate left to try to undertake the right-turners you’ve got yourself stuck behind.

We all do that, yet we have all been stuck behind the prick who waits till the light goes green before he indicates, as if it were some big secret. Doesn't make for the most harmonious driving environment though. One thing I noticed in Mexico last month is people don't behave like this, even in Mexico City which vies with Los Angeles to be the world's biggest traffic jam, if someone has positioned themselves is in the right hand lane but wants to turn left, they just indicate an will be let across, they need to go left and have made a small error, they also religiously filter in turn. Compare to London where if some fucking loser fails to be in exactly the right lane at the right time no one will let them in, blocking the lane behind and causing a jam. Their own fault of course, they should go straight up, over Battersea Bridge, north to the M25, turn left, come round to the M23, head north and try again, and this time be in the right lane at the right time, you fhakin' mug!

 

[Spymaster]

We all do that, yet we have all been stuck behind the prick who waits till the light goes green before he indicates, as if it were some big secret.

Nah. It’s a schoolboy error. The only times I’ve done it are when I’ve laned-up and indicated to turn right myself and then realised I need to go straight. Even then I just wait for the car in front to turn, or the next light phase, rather than try to go round him and risk everyone thinking I’ve done a Hash Tag.

 

[nick]

We all do that, yet we have all been stuck behind the prick who waits till the light goes green before he indicates, as if it were some big secret. Doesn't make for the most harmonious driving environment though. One thing I noticed in Mexico last month is people don't behave like this, even in Mexico City which vies with Los Angeles to be the world's biggest traffic jam, if someone has positioned themselves is in the right hand lane but wants to turn left, they just indicate an will be let across, they need to go left and have made a small error, they also religiously filter in turn. Compare to London where if some fucking loser fails to be in exactly the right lane at the right time no one will let them in, blocking the lane behind and causing a jam. Their own fault of course, they should go straight up, over Battersea Bridge, north to the M25, turn left, come round to the M23, head north and try again, and this time be in the right lane at the right time, you fhakin' mug!

Problem is that in London (I perceive) there is a well used thing, (particularly by bentleys, SUV etc) where people march to the front of a queue in the wrong lane and then ty to cross over with a look of bemused innocence
Northbound on the A3320 Holland road in an attempt to get up to the A40 being a prime example, people cutting in from right lane to left lane at last minute.

This makes them cunts. Sitting like a good citizen in the correct lane, I then try to get within mm of the car in from to stop them "cheating" and getting in. Which make me a cunt as well : It is dangerous of me and is now blocking the right filter for anyone that actually wants to go that way

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[quiet guy]

Why are there so many drivers on the motorway network who refuse to keep left unless overtaking? Most of the traffic build ups are due to these twunts compressing overtaking traffic into the third lane or the fourth if on a smart motorway section.
Also why do some drivers joining from a slip road have their left indicator flashing rather than the right one to show they are pulling over into the live traffic lane.

 

[8ball]

Why are there so many drivers on the motorway network who refuse to keep left unless overtaking? Most of the traffic build ups are due to these twunts compressing overtaking traffic into the third lane or the fourth if on a smart motorway section.
Also why do some drivers joining from a slip road have their left indicator flashing rather than the right one to show they are pulling over into the live traffic lane.

Not wanting to come over the old timer who’s seen it all or anything, but on balance I think it was generally a bit worse 10 years ago in this regard.

YMMV obv.

Could also be better tbf, but that’s always the way.

One thing that has annoyed me a little the last couple of years is people being cunts to learner drivers who have stalled on a junction or whatever.

Subjectively, that seems to have got a bit worse to me.

 

[Spymaster]

Also why do some drivers joining from a slip road have their left indicator flashing rather than the right one to show they are pulling over into the live traffic lane.

Can’t say I’ve seen that but the reason will be that they’ve indicated left further up to join the slip road from a junction roundabout, the indicator hasn’t cancelled and they haven’t indicated right to join the motorway.

 

[8ball]

Can’t say I’ve seen that but the reason will be that they’ve indicated left further up to join the slip road from a junction roundabout, the indicator hasn’t cancelled and they haven’t indicated right to join the motorway.

Most likely taking the dip in traffic density as an opportunity to change the CD and they haven’t noticed the blinker is still on.

Which I have def never done, I must stress..

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Why are there so many drivers on the motorway network who refuse to keep left unless overtaking? Most of the traffic build ups are due to these twunts compressing overtaking traffic into the third lane or the fourth if on a smart motorway section.

I think a lot of people are fearful of driving on motorways, 3 lane A roads, to the extent that they feel safer in the middle lane, as if they make a mistake in the driving lane they might fly off the side of the road, so they choose to drive in the overtaking lane to give them the leeway. Often will be in the driving lane, pull right across to the right hand overtaking lane to pass these divs, then indicate back and go across them and back to the driving lane, as I pass in front of them I find that's a good time to give the windscreen a good wash too...

 

[Spymaster]

I think a lot of people are fearful of driving on motorways, 3 lane A roads, to the extent that they feel safer in the middle lane, as if they make a mistake in the driving lane they might fly off the side of the road, so they choose to drive in the overtaking lane to give them the leeway. Often will be in the driving lane, pull right across to the right hand overtaking lane to pass these divs, then indicate back and go across them and back to the driving lane, as I pass in front of them I find that's a good time to give the windscreen a good wash too...

At least they know that they’re not allowed in the German car lane and are respectful enough not to go further than the middle one.

 

[nick]

I think a lot of people are fearful of driving on motorways, 3 lane A roads, to the extent that they feel safer in the middle lane, as if they make a mistake in the driving lane they might fly off the side of the road, so they choose to drive in the overtaking lane to give them the leeway. Often will be in the driving lane, pull right across to the right hand overtaking lane to pass these divs, then indicate back and go across them and back to the driving lane, as I pass in front of them I find that's a good time to give the windscreen a good wash too...

And there is a (IMHO healthy) mistrust of the technology/implementation behind smart motorways.

 

[hash tag]

I think a lot of people are fearful of driving on motorways, 3 lane A roads, to the extent that they feel safer in the middle lane, as if they make a mistake in the driving lane they might fly off the side of the road, so they choose to drive in the overtaking lane to give them the leeway. Often will be in the driving lane, pull right across to the right hand overtaking lane to pass these divs, then indicate back and go across them and back to the driving lane, as I pass in front of them I find that's a good time to give the windscreen a good wash too...

Mrs Tag does not like the inside lane ( notably early stretches of A3 )because of people pulling on to the road from the slips

 

[sleaterkinney]

The big issue of course is that when driving cases go before the courts, the jury is made up of fellow drivers. Here losing control and killing a couple on the opposite side on an A road : not dangerous.

https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/crime/driver-acquitted-of-causing-deaths-of-glenrothes-couple-4342473

 

[nick]

Mrs Tag does not like the inside lane ( notably early stretches of A3 )because of people pulling on to the road from the slips

especially on the A3, I tend to pull into the 2nd lane when passing "on ramps" as some of them only have a very short length of tarmac to allow people to get up to speed before joining the main road, so need a little extra space

 

[hash tag]

The big issue of course is that when driving cases go before the courts, the jury is made up of fellow drivers. Here losing control and killing a couple on the opposite side on an A road : not dangerous.

https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/crime/driver-acquitted-of-causing-deaths-of-glenrothes-couple-4342473

If he has a medical condition which makes him prone to blackouts he should have his licence taken away.

 

[Spymaster]

The big issue of course is that when driving cases go before the courts, the jury is made up of fellow drivers. Here losing control and killing a couple on the opposite side on an A road : not dangerous.

https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/crime/driver-acquitted-of-causing-deaths-of-glenrothes-couple-4342473

Here:

On Thursday, Mr Meehan told jurors that the evidence showed that his client hadn’t been driving dangerously and urged them to acquit him.

Don't know what that evidence could've been but the jury must've seen it and at least some of them agreed.

 

[Crispy]

especially on the A3, I tend to pull into the 2nd lane when passing "on ramps" as some of them only have a very short length of tarmac to allow people to get up to speed before joining the main road, so need a little extra space

The London end of the M4 is like this too. And practically all of the M25. The left lane is constant merging/demerging.

 

[Spymaster]

especially on the A3, I tend to pull into the 2nd lane when passing "on ramps" as some of them only have a very short length of tarmac to allow people to get up to speed before joining the main road, so need a little extra space

Moving to the centre lane at a junction in anticipation of traffic joining the motorway further up, is perfectly acceptable practice. Staying there afterwards when the inside lane is clear, is not.

 

[nick]

Moving to the centre lane at a junction in anticipation of traffic joining the motorway further up, is perfectly acceptable practice. Staying there afterwards when the inside lane is clear, is not.

Yep

And smart motorways. Legal / acceptable or not, I don't want to risk ploughing into Sid and Doris in their broken down Austin Maestro at 70 mph, because Kevin in the control room took that moment to go off for a piss, didn't see they were stopped and didn't activate the Lane closed sign (exaggerated for hyperbole comic effect)

 

[hash tag]

Don't take your children's tech away ..
BBC News - Florida police stop 10-year-old driver on highway

Florida police stop 10-year-old driver on highway

Boy and 11-year-old sister found 200 miles from where they were reported missing by mother.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[existentialist]

Mrs Tag does not like the inside lane ( notably early stretches of A3 )because of people pulling on to the road from the slips

In pretty much any civilised country in Europe (at least), people give other drivers enough room to let them pull out before the slip joins. Drivers in (Northern) France are incredibly courteous in this regard, and AIR in Germany they do something with the lane markings to encourage you across at the slip junction.

I think a lot of middle-lane hoggers stay there, with some justification, because they're anxious whether, when they need to pull out, anyone will give them room. Which doesn't seem to happen nearly as much here as it should.

 

[platinumsage]

It wouldn't be a problem if most people knew how to merge from a slip road properly. The reason people in lane 1 often need to move over is because the numpty who is joining makes no attempt to match their speed to the traffic flow and aim for a gap.

 

[hash tag]

It wouldn't be a problem if most people knew how to merge from a slip road properly. The reason people in lane 1 often need to move over is because the numpty who is joining makes no attempt to match their speed to the traffic flow and aim for a gap.

As nick has already mentioned, some of the roads which pull on to the A3 in the Kingston area have very short run ups, if any at all.