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[gosub]

It's all relative, isn't it? To a swivel-eyed MAGA redneck, Trumps a fucking genius. He's saying what they want to hear.

Plus we judge him out of context...that iron dome thing. Prime example

 

[Silas Loom]

Reasonable positions that get taken to extremes which is the speciality of the far left. Extreme affirmative action; bonkers gender politics that see academics and perfectly reasonable people losing their careers when challenged; de-banking people whose political opinions are deemed "incorrect", etc etc

“Extreme” and “bonkers” are already question-begging.

 

[danny la rouge]

It's all relative, isn't it? To a swivel-eyed MAGA redneck, Trumps a fucking genius. He's saying what they want to hear.

I’m still struggling. If you were to say that the clownish buffoonery and inarticulate brain farts were part of the appeal, because people are fed up with articulate smarty-pants, I’d get it. But to say he’s a good speaker?! He can’t get to the end of a sentence without trailing off into gibberish! Him standing for some sort of anti liberal establishment groundswell from the disaffected and those who feel overlooked and left behind is one thing, but thinking he’s a good public speaker? Does not compute.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's a backlash against the left and the gobsmacking wokery that's pervaded the US, particularly around gender and Middle Eastern politics.

Hmmm. You have a president who is arming Israel. Even Bernie Sanders has refused to call for a ceasefire in Gaza. Making pro-Palestinian statements can lose you your job in US colleges right now. I don't see how people voting for Trump is a reaction to this at all.

 

[two sheds]

And those pesky black people asking for some sort of equality they should all just shut up and know their place.

 

[Spymaster]

“Extreme” and “bonkers” are already question-begging.

Not at all. Some of this is stuff out of control in the US. People's careers have been destroyed for questioning whether someone with a penis and testicles might not be a woman. The lengths to which affirmative action has been taken in some cases politically and commercially is questioned by many. It goes on.

I'm not going to get in to either a race or gender discussion but the point is that far left attitudes have pissed people off in the US to the extent that they're now going the other way and electing a rapey racist as their President.

 

[danny la rouge]

that far left attitudes have pissed people off in the US

Far left or liberal?

 

[WouldBe]

Plus we judge him out of context...that iron dome thing. Prime example

Except trump probably thinks it's an actual iron dome.

 

[chandlerp]

Just like he believes in invisible fighter planes

 

[Spymaster]

Far left or liberal?

In the US they call them liberals but here they are the politics of the hard left, aren't they?

They most certainly are on these boards.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Not at all. Some of this is stuff out of control in the US. People's careers have been destroyed for questioning whether someone with a penis and testicles might not be a woman. The lengths to which affirmative action has been taken in some cases politically and commercially is questioned by many. It goes on.

I'm not going to get in to either a race or gender discussion but the point is that far left attitudes have pissed people off in the US to the extent that they're now going the other way and electing a rapey racist as their President.

I don't buy this line. Trump's election in 2016 wasn't based on these things. It was more to do with a feeling that there was a political elite that didn't give a fuck about certain groups who felt they were struggling - combined with a big vote from the rich who just wanted tax cuts. It will be much the same people voting for Trump now as voted for him in 2016 and 2020. And there are plenty of 'traditional' r/w reasons why they might do so - he cut taxes on the rich when in power, he slashed environmental legislation, he promoted ultra-conservative judges leading to the overturning of Roe vs Wade. His achievements from a traditionally conservative point of view were considerable, so why not have him in again to do more of the same?

I don't think it's logical for poorer people to vote for someone like Trump. But it wasn't logical in 2016 either.

 

[two sheds]

Not at all. Some of this is stuff out of control in the US. People's careers have been destroyed for questioning whether someone with a penis and testicles might not be a woman. The lengths to which affirmative action has been taken in some cases politically and commercially is questioned by many. It goes on.

I'm not going to get in to either a race or gender discussion but the point is that far left attitudes have pissed people off in the US to the extent that they're now going the other way and electing a rapey racist as their President.

Too true, and not forgetting all those liberal loony lefties who are calling gay and transgender people pedophiles with an increase in murders

ah no that's that's the ultra-loony right wingers isn't it

 

[Rimbaud]

It's a backlash against the left and the gobsmacking wokery that's pervaded the US, particularly around gender and Middle Eastern politics. A lot of folk have had enough,

Woukd this be a backlash against US continuing to send arms to Israel while it is leveling Gaza, killing hundreds of women and children on a daily basis and condemning over a million to conditions of starvation, with the few voices against it are hounded as anti-semitic? Or backlash against something else pervading the US?

 

[a_chap]

It's a backlash against the left and the gobsmacking wokery that's pervaded the US, particularly around gender and Middle Eastern politics. A lot of folk have had enough, and this is the result. The fact that people are voting for a sex offending racist isn't because they appreciate sex offending racists. It's because nobody else is offering a solution; and the fact that the left are unable to provide credible opposition shows that it's their fault.

Gets popcorns and comfy chair.

 

[Spymaster]

Too true, and not forgetting all those liberal loony lefties who are calling gay and transgender people pedophiles with an increase in murders

ah no that's that's the ultra-loony right wingers isn't it

See? This is such a typical leftie response. "Ahhh, but what about the right?"

I mention people questioning the gender of people with male genitalia, and the response is 'well the right call them paedos!' Absolutely zero reflection, just an immediate deflective attack on an irrelevance.

 

[Spymaster]

Gets popcorns and comfy chair.

Ah, you'll be disappointed. I stopped caring about the political opinions on these boards a while ago.

I'll respond to Pilch and littlebabyjesus later, but the rest are a joke.

 

[danny la rouge]

In the US they call them liberals but here they are the politics of the hard left, aren't they?

They most certainly are on these boards.

I don’t think so. I think what you’re referring to, what you’re calling “affirmative action” and “extreme wokeness” (and I disagree with your terminology and classification), is not at all “hard left”, but is, rather, associated with a civil society hegemony both here and in the US.

That’s quite aside from whether “wokeness” (respecting other people?) is a good thing or not.

 

[two sheds]

See? This is such a typical leftie response. "Ahhh, but what about the right?"

I mention people questioning the gender of people with male genitalia, and the response is 'well the right call them paedos!' Absolutely zero reflection, just an immediate deflective attack on an irrelevance.

See? This is such a typical rightie response. "Ahhh, but what about the lefties?"

A thread on Trump about to turn the US fascist and start turning on anyone who doesn't agree with him and the response is "well the left is insane for wanting equal rights for minorities. Absolute zero reflection, just an immediate deflective attack on an .....

errm killing gay and transgender people as pedophiles is an ... irrelevance?

I know you don't believe half of this Spy but you can be an utter tosser at times.

If you think the left has the upper hand in the US you've swallowed the same Fox News pill as the trumpies.

 

[Spymaster]

... the response is "well the left is insane for wanting equal rights for minorities .... errm killing gay and transgender people as pedophiles is an ... irrelevance?

QED.

Absolutely mendacious bullshit, and totally not worth engaging with.

 

[two sheds]

QED.

Bullshit, and totally not worth engaging with.

Yeh agreed, fuck those minorities eh the problem's with the commies.

 

[Spymaster]

... fuck those minorities ...

You can't help yourself can you?

Have a few days on ignore.

 

[kabbes]

Spymaster you should have a read of this:

For years, I've been watching anti-elite fury build in Wisconsin. Then came Trump.

I did not set out to study rural resentment of “elites,” but that’s what I found.

www.vox.com

Social science researcher happens to spend a few years researching in rural Wisconsin in the lead up to 2016, which completely leads her to see what’s coming and why. It has elements of what you’re saying but you’ve missed the bigger picture, in short.

 

[krtek a houby]

Reasonable positions that get taken to extremes which is the speciality of the far left. Extreme affirmative action; bonkers gender politics that see academics and perfectly reasonable people losing their careers when challenged; de-banking people whose political opinions are deemed "incorrect", etc etc

Woke has been twisted, these days it's basically stuff that the right doesn't like.

Trans people and issues, representation of black, brown and LGBT people. Is almost like a code, if you see comments online about films/television shows with the above people in it, right wing will flood comments sections and call it woke.

Woke actually means being aware of historical and current inequalities and discrimination.

Lead Belly was one of the first to use the term , as caution black people to stay woke - as in be aware of the areas you're passing through back in segregation times.

Those who use it now are not aware of the meaning and use it to denigrate equality, LGBT rights and anything they deem a threat to hetero-normative or white supremacy.

A Harvard professor, Claudine Gay, was forced to resign recently because of her position on the current conflict in Gaza.

Is she one of the academics you mean?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Ironically, much of the culture wars nonsense that is called 'wokery' by one particular side is arguably itself a distraction to which conservative-leaning types should remain 'woke'. This is particularly true in the US. Making an issue out of such non-issues as Drag Queen Story Time, for example.

However, on its own as a centre-point to a campaign, this stuff doesn't actually play that well. DeSantis is finding that out.

 

[PR1Berske]

"Woke" has been subverted by the right wing, and the far right, to the point it's been rendered useless, as "politically correct" was in its time. The Daily Mail suggested that Gladiators was "woke" for not including cheerleaders, for one very recent, parochial example.

What we should be concerned about is book banning and abortion restriction, and the increasing influence of Christian Nationalists. Instead the far/right have taken control of the narrative by making society scared of sex education.

I don't listen to Trump supporters, including on this thread, for very good reasons.

 

[krtek a houby]

"Woke" has been subverted by the right wing, and the far right, to the point it's been rendered useless, as "politically correct" was in its time. The Daily Mail suggested that Gladiators was "woke" for not including cheerleaders, for one very recent, parochial example.

What we should be concerned about is book banning and abortion restriction, and the increasing influence of Christian Nationalists. Instead the far/right have taken control of the narrative by making society scared of sex education.

I don't listen to Trump supporters, including on this thread, for very good reasons.

Yep.

Woke just replaced social justice warriors which replaced pc which replaced loony left and right on etc.

It's the perfect distraction, as you say, from the issues that the right are pushing.

 

[andysays]

Have you agreed to fill in for Dwyer while he's banned for a month, Spymaster?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's a good way to identify twats, tbf. Anyone who ever said 'it's political correctness gone mad' non-ironically was a twat. Similarly we now have basically anyone using the term 'woke' as an insult.

We should reclaim it.

'You're extreme woke, you are.'

'Oh you think so? Thanks, that's really kind of you.'

 

[NoXion]

I know you don't believe half of this Spy but you can be an utter tosser at times.

Nah, I think he's just showing his true colours. As if his endless trolling of vegan and Brewdog threads wasn't making it obvious enough.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

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