Donald Trump the road that might not lead to the White House - Redux 2024 thread.

[Yossarian]

Meanwhile, Trump's niece lobs in another warning. As if any of Trump's women supporters will read it or care.

The Most Anti-Woman Ticket in History

Donald and J.D. Vance are coming for women’s rights

marytrump.substack.com

While they probably won't read Mary Trump's warning, I think the issue could make a difference - Kansas voted for Trump over Biden by 56% to 42% in 2020, but abortion rights won 59% to 41% in a referendum in the state two years later

 

[tim]

I think you are worrying too much, mate.

We've had lots of newbies sign-up recently, it seems because of something happening over on the AV forums, I think we should give them some time to bed in.

I've seen too many aggressive replies to them, because of the general paranoia around here surrounding newbies being banned returnees, I personally welcome these newbies.

Alternative Vote forum?

 

[moochedit]

I think you are worrying too much, mate.

We've had lots of newbies sign-up recently, it seems because of something happening over on the AV forums, I think we should give them some time to bed in.

I've seen too many aggressive replies to them, because of the general paranoia around here surrounding newbies being banned returnees, I personally welcome these newbies.

Not sure what the "av forum" is but i had noticed lots of newbies in the last week or so but this might explain it. I guess someone may have posted on there about us if they are closing down.

Or maybe they are all firky

 

[petee]

nvm ...

 

[BigMoaner]

What in the Mary Poppins is the AV forum?

 

[Johnny Vodka]

I admire your optimism and warm hearted welcome.

The core on here aren't getting any younger.

 

[krtek a houby]

Not sure what the "av forum" is but i had noticed lots of newbies in the last week or so but this might explain it. I guess someone may have posted on there about us if they are closing down.

Or maybe they are all firky

Had a look, it's (at first glance) not dissimilar from urban. Some topics are the same.

Dunno what the politics are.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Had a look, it's (at first glance) not dissimilar from urban. Some topics are the same.

Dunno what the politics are.

Been on similarly themed forums in the past. Obviously not a political forum, political threads as an after-thought, so politics reflect those in society (mixed & tending towards the not great IMO).

 

[Elpenor]

The core on here aren't getting any younger.

No one is getting any younger

 

[spring-peeper]

 

[Skinny Ethel]

Am calm now and will cool my thoughts and become thoughtful and think more before i type pure drunken rage type thoughts.

 

[JimW]

become thoughtful and think more before i type

Steady on there, let's not set ourselves a bar too high.

 

[nottsgirl]

Vance is just finishing speaking now. So far, so generic MAGA.

 

[Cloo]

Wow, Vance really doesn't even attempt to hide his contempt for women.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Alternative Vote forum?

What in the Mary Poppins is the AV forum?

AV = Audio-Visual.

 

[MrCurry]

AV = Audio-Visual.

What is it which is driving people from audio visual forums to here? Is news of the demise of the overhead projector spreading?

 

[krtek a houby]

What is it which is driving people from audio visual forums to here? Is news of the demise of the overhead projector spreading?

In fairness, urban started off as a soccer based site and expanded to other topics over the years... could be similar with the AV forums, widening the focus...

 

[JimW]

Adult video; we're being inundated with porn fiends.

 

[cupid_stunt]

What is it which is driving people from audio visual forums to here? Is news of the demise of the overhead projector spreading?

Apparently it's down to a heavy handed mod in their politics forum, which is/was also under threat of being closed altogether.

 

[BigMoaner]

Adult video; we're being inundated with porn fiends.
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SEX SWAPPERS!

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Apparently it's down to a heavy handed mod in their politics forum, which is/was also under threat of being closed altogether.

They'll shit a brick when they read this: Do you consider yourself an audiophile?

 

[Yossarian]

Looking forward to discussing yam daisies and warrigal greens with the exiles from the Australian Vegetables forum

 

[Smokeandsteam]

For years centrists and elite liberals banished the words ‘working class’ preferring their meritocratic phrases of ‘working people’ or the feeble ‘underrepresented groups’. Class was dead. Competing identify groups were the future.

The populist right have no such qualms. They also have no qualms in honestly calling out the consequences of deindustrialisation or pointing out who dies in illegal wars.

There is a massive lesson for our side here. We better learn it quickly…

JD Vance: I will fight for America’s forgotten heartlands

JD Vance: I will fight for America’s forgotten heartlands

Donald Trump’s running-mate, the Ohio senator who grew up a self-proclaimed hillbilly, tells Republican convention he will be a vice president for the ‘working man’

www.thetimes.com

 

[teqniq]

There is something seriously wrong with these people:

 

[krtek a houby]

There is something seriously wrong with these people:

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It's a cult, some of the supporters believe he's sent or protected by Jesus ... the ear thing is their cross and nails

 

[Yossarian]

For years centrists and elite liberals banished the words ‘working class’ preferring their meritocratic phrases of ‘working people’ or the feeble ‘underrepresented groups’. Class was dead. Competing identify groups were the future.

The populist right have no such qualms. They also have no qualms in honestly calling out the consequences of deindustrialisation or pointing out who dies in illegal wars.

There is a massive lesson for our side here. We better learn it quickly…

JD Vance: I will fight for America’s forgotten heartlands

JD Vance: I will fight for America’s forgotten heartlands

Donald Trump’s running-mate, the Ohio senator who grew up a self-proclaimed hillbilly, tells Republican convention he will be a vice president for the ‘working man’

www.thetimes.com

Didn't Biden make his whole campaign in 2020 about being Rust Belt Joe, voice of the forgotten working class?

At each stop, he sought to characterise November’s presidential race with Donald Trump as a battle between the middle class and the elite, and himself as a friend of the working class.

"I’ve dealt with guys like Trump my whole life: guys who look down on us because they’ve got a lot of money, guys who think they’re better than you, guys who might let you park their car in the country club they own but won’t let you in.

“I see the world from where I grew up in Scranton,” he added.

On a Rust Belt train tour, ‘Amtrak Joe’ Biden pitches to working class voters left behind by Trump

Biden’s train tour journeyed through counties that turned from Democrat to Republican four years ago

www.independent.co.uk

This speech was in May, I'm not sure he ever goes for long without mentioning Scranton

Let me close — let me close with this. I come from Scranton, a town like a lot of working-class, middle-class neighborhoods all across America — like Racine, Wisconsin, which I visited last week. Once a manufacturing boomtown until trickle-down economics came along, and the middle class in Racine got hollowed out.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Didn't Biden make his whole campaign in 2020 about being Rust Belt Joe, voice of the forgotten working class?

At each stop, he sought to characterise November’s presidential race with Donald Trump as a battle between the middle class and the elite, and himself as a friend of the working class.

"I’ve dealt with guys like Trump my whole life: guys who look down on us because they’ve got a lot of money, guys who think they’re better than you, guys who might let you park their car in the country club they own but won’t let you in.

“I see the world from where I grew up in Scranton,” he added.

On a Rust Belt train tour, ‘Amtrak Joe’ Biden pitches to working class voters left behind by Trump

Biden’s train tour journeyed through counties that turned from Democrat to Republican four years ago

www.independent.co.uk

This speech was in May, I'm not sure he ever goes for long without mentioning Scranton

Let me close — let me close with this. I come from Scranton, a town like a lot of working-class, middle-class neighborhoods all across America — like Racine, Wisconsin, which I visited last week. Once a manufacturing boomtown until trickle-down economics came along, and the middle class in Racine got hollowed out.

1. Biden isn’t on my side. Or those of my class.

2. Biden did run as ‘rust belt Joe’ (despite being a Washington insider and key member of the elite for 60 years). Why? As a corrective to Hilary Clinton’s disastrous campaign against Trump four years earlier which described people in those places as a part of ‘a basket of deplorables’.

3. Biden is not running as the voice of the rust belt in 2024, for the obvious reason that it’s simply not credible to do so.

 

[krtek a houby]

For years centrists and elite liberals banished the words ‘working class’ preferring their meritocratic phrases of ‘working people’ or the feeble ‘underrepresented groups’. Class was dead. Competing identify groups were the future.

The populist right have no such qualms. They also have no qualms in honestly calling out the consequences of deindustrialisation or pointing out who dies in illegal wars.

There is a massive lesson for our side here. We better learn it quickly…

JD Vance: I will fight for America’s forgotten heartlands

JD Vance: I will fight for America’s forgotten heartlands

Donald Trump’s running-mate, the Ohio senator who grew up a self-proclaimed hillbilly, tells Republican convention he will be a vice president for the ‘working man’

www.thetimes.com

Another lesson might be unity on "our side".

Look at how the right, the evangelists, Christofascists, conspiracy theorists, gundamentals and all manner of fringe and mainstream conservatives have managed to organise their power.

It may be time to make (at least) temporary alliances with those that otherwise might be seen as fence sitting liberal guardian clutching types... However unpalatable it may be.

A suggestion, not a manifesto.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Another lesson might be unity on "our side".

Look at how the right, the evangelists, Christofascists, conspiracy theorists, gundamentals and all manner of fringe and mainstream conservatives have managed to organise their power.

It may be time to make (at least) temporary alliances with those that otherwise might be seen as fence sitting liberal guardian clutching types... However unpalatable it may be.

A suggestion, not a manifesto.

Could not disagree more. Any association with elite liberals and centrists kills our side’s credibility and we are tainted by association.

 

[Yossarian]

1. Biden isn’t on my side. Or those of my class.

2. Biden did run as ‘rust belt Joe’ (despite being a Washington insider and key member of the elite for 60 years). Why? As a corrective to Hilary Clinton’s disastrous campaign against Trump four years earlier which described people in those places as a part of ‘a basket of deplorables’.

3. Biden is not running as the voice of the rust belt in 2024, for the obvious reason that it’s simply not credible to do so.

1. I'm not defending Biden's centrist policies, just pointing out that he's not exactly shy about using the term working class