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I know this is fucking obvious but I think the reason Trump got in was the power of social media (like X, Facebook) at training people’s minds to think in a certain way. There is so much propaganda in these little sections of social media that act as an out brain and form a group think mentality.
People whip themselves up into a frenzy where they are just so sure they are correct about things. People who have a lot to gain have been engineering this for so many years. It’s sad people didn’t realise the power of this sooner, it takes over almost every aspect of life…
 
Eivets Rednow said:
I know this is fucking obvious but I think the reason Trump got in was the power of social media (like X, Facebook) at training people’s minds to think in a certain way. There is so much propaganda in these little sections of social media that act as an out brain and form a group think mentality.
People whip themselves up into a frenzy where they are just so sure they are correct about things. People who have a lot to gain have been engineering this for so many years. It’s sad people didn’t realise the power of this sooner, it takes over almost every aspect of life…
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Stick around on Urban a bit longer and you'll see that it isn't just X and Facebook where this happens.
 
andysays said:
Stick around on Urban a bit longer and you'll see that it isn't just X and Facebook where this happens.
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When I see that happening on threads here it seems to have a slightly different flavour. This forum is interesting in that it’s old style internet where people can be anonymous to an extent. What I like about this is that language has more significance, people are more creative with their words and irony is subtle.

New internet feels like a bash over the head in comparison.
 
Eivets Rednow said:
I know this is fucking obvious but I think the reason Trump got in was the power of social media (like X, Facebook) at training people’s minds to think in a certain way. There is so much propaganda in these little sections of social media that act as an out brain and form a group think mentality.
People whip themselves up into a frenzy where they are just so sure they are correct about things. People who have a lot to gain have been engineering this for so many years. It’s sad people didn’t realise the power of this sooner, it takes over almost every aspect of life…
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Well said man. Or should I immediately apologise for saying man. Even though people say man, even films, with no drama.

I say that as someone that's woke, or am I, should we fear saying anything? (that leads them right).

America's often seen as the leader of the free world.

So is it any word the world's gone mad.

Polarisation, the American way, has been the British way. Many a way.

Is not the way.
 
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Basic info

ABC News will pay $15 million to a “presidential foundation and museum” in a settlement reached with President-elect Donald Trump in his defamation suit against the network and anchor George Stephanopoulos.

The settlement, which was filed publicly Saturday, reveals the network will also pay $1 million in Trump’s attorneys’ fees and will issue an apology.

ABC News will issue the following statement as an editor’s note on the online article at the center of the suit: “ABC News and George Stephanopoulos regret statements regarding President Donald J. Trump made during an interview by George Stephanopoulos with Rep. Nancy Mace on ABC’s This Week on March 10, 2024.”
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Social media didn’t really/directly radicalise America. It’s just as important that it just gave the neocons a voice and a way of cohering around a particular movement. It seems like this MAGA movement came from nowhere only because the people involved were completely invisible to you before the internet. By blaming social media, you’re (at least in part) mistaking cause and effect. People didn’t spontaneously turn into MAGA adherents just because they read a stranger say something on Twitter. To some degree, they were already like that and Facebook and Twitter just gave them a way to amplify themselves.
 
Well, yes. As has been said before, Trump is a symptom of the malaise.

The internet has been a release for an anger that's been around for a long time.

That said, internet billionaire shills didn't do his ascendancy any harm...
 
Just following in the footsteps of talk radio, which has been at it for decades. The medium is different but the method still the same. Set the agenda of topics for national debate, channel anger certain ways (always downwards). Shut out the wrong sort of dissent. Nothing is new, except it now gets amplified to 11.
 
kabbes said:
Social media didn’t really/directly radicalise America. It’s just as important that it just gave the neocons a voice and a way of cohering around a particular movement. It seems like this MAGA movement came from nowhere only because the people involved were completely invisible to you before the internet. By blaming social media, you’re (at least in part) mistaking cause and effect. People didn’t spontaneously turn into MAGA adherents just because they read a stranger say something on Twitter. To some degree, they were already like that and Facebook and Twitter just gave them a way to amplify themselves.
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But is it possible to have a "neutral" internet when it's the people with the biggest interest in skewing social media (etc) to the right who have by far the most power and money to do so?
 
Well the internet has no bias.....but I think you mean the content and control over what content is widespread and easily available which of course carries the bias of the writer/distributer
 
kabbes said:
Social media didn’t really/directly radicalise America. It’s just as important that it just gave the neocons a voice and a way of cohering around a particular movement. It seems like this MAGA movement came from nowhere only because the people involved were completely invisible to you before the internet. By blaming social media, you’re (at least in part) mistaking cause and effect. People didn’t spontaneously turn into MAGA adherents just because they read a stranger say something on Twitter. To some degree, they were already like that and Facebook and Twitter just gave them a way to amplify themselves.
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I think social media does more or less what old media does. It reinforces and legitimatises existing ideas and biases and, most importantly, decides what is or is not news worthy, and to some extent sets the narrative around those events. But there is less of a brake on it to keep things somewhat grounded in reality.
 
Social media undoubtedly reinforces people’s pre-existing world views but does more than that too I think. One thing it does is radicalise people, as the well documented “rightwing-‘alt-light’-alt-right” pipeline shows. It also creates ‘rabbit holes’ that help solidify ideology. Most people don’t have clear-cut ideologies, but a hodge-podge of contradictory and inchoate views about politics and the world. But if they pursue any of those views online, algorithms channel them in particular directions. For example, a young man interested in self-improvement can easily stumble upon someone like Jordan Peterson or Andrew Tate.

It’s not as if there weren’t pipelines and rabbit holes before the advent of social media, but social media algorithms really turbo-charge these phenomena, largely (for various reasons) to the benefit of the radical right. I believe we’re going to see a big uptick in rightwing populist ideology amongst the youth over the next decade, trends we’re already seeing across Europe and North America.
 
andysays said:
Feel free to cite any examples of me trawling someone's post history and cross-posting seven of them into another thread, Mr Policeman 👮‍♂️
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They wouldn't have to if the moderators did some moderating and banned the Ross for their misogyny, homophobia, and antisemitism
 
andysays said:
Not sure responding to posts when and where they've been posted can really be equated with trawling through anyone's past posting history and spamming current threads with examples of shit posting from years ago on other threads.

If these historical posts are really so bad that they've been eating at you for years, maybe you couldn't address them adequately at the time.

I don't see why current threads should be derailed because your inability to satisfactorily win an argument with someone in the present leads to you bringing up further examples of you failing to do it in the past on a whole range of other threads.
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They were responded to and reported at the time and clearly nothing was done by the moderating team.
 
Jeff Robinson said:
Social media undoubtedly reinforces people’s pre-existing world views but does more than that too I think. One thing it does is radicalise people, as the well documented “rightwing-‘alt-light’-alt-right” pipeline shows. It also creates ‘rabbit holes’ that help solidify ideology. Most people don’t have clear-cut ideologies, but a hodge-podge of contradictory and inchoate views about politics and the world. But if they pursue any of those views online, algorithms channel them in particular directions. For example, a young man interested in self-improvement can easily stumble upon someone like Jordan Peterson or Andrew Tate.

It’s not as if there weren’t pipelines and rabbit holes before the advent of social media, but social media algorithms really turbo-charge these phenomena, largely (for various reasons) to the benefit of the radical right. I believe we’re going to see a big uptick in rightwing populist ideology amongst the youth over the next decade, trends we’re already seeing across Europe and North America.
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Yep they seem to act as positive feedback loops, which can very rapidly go unstable.
 
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