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Storm Fox said:
It seems to me that Left vs Right is becoming less of a differentiation. It's becoming more people who belive in evidence-based analysis of events versus credulous belief in made-up facts that fit the narrative, and any actual analysis is seen as belonging to the outgroup.
So the 'Lefties' who actually have an understanding of the facts to varying degrees cannot understand how anyone can be so stupid as to believe such blatant falsehoods and even the evidence of their own eyes, while the Right type cannot believe anyone would fall for such conspiracies and anything the others believe in must be false and should be resisted up to the point of allowing them and their loved one die horribly unpleasant deaths
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This might be a popular trope with liberals but it is an appalling politics.

The creation of "evidence-based" "data driven" politics is every bit as ideological as anything coming out of the Republican Party. It is a latest incarnation of the long trend of liberalisms attempts to create a "neutral" justification for the exploitation embedded within it, to "scientise" politics, ala economics and political science.

Politics is the outcome of the competing interests of groups, in capitalist societies driven by the interactions of capital, labour and state.
There is nothing neutral about the economy, nothing "evidence based" about the decisions of the central banks - these are political decisions made on the basis of the supporting the interests of capital(s) and the state.
 
tim said:
He has issues with Jewish women.

www.lbi.org

“Israel” and “Sara” | 1938Projekt

NEW YORK—September 1, 1938: In August 1938, a new decree had been issued. Jewish people with names that were—in the perspective of the Nazis—not “typically Jewish” were to bear (starting January 1, 1939, the latest) a second given name: “Sara” for women, “Israel” for men.
www.lbi.org www.lbi.org
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Ok, right, fuck’s sake. I was ignorant of this until now. Why are so many people so awful? Perhaps it’s just the way humans are. Depressing.
 
tim said:
He has issues with Jewish women.

www.lbi.org

“Israel” and “Sara” | 1938Projekt

NEW YORK—September 1, 1938: In August 1938, a new decree had been issued. Jewish people with names that were—in the perspective of the Nazis—not “typically Jewish” were to bear (starting January 1, 1939, the latest) a second given name: “Sara” for women, “Israel” for men.
www.lbi.org www.lbi.org
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good find. my bud listened to him and characterized it as "he really, really hates jews." (though that's clear enough from the placard)
 
redsquirrel said:
This might be a popular trope with liberals but it is an appalling politics.

The creation of "evidence-based" "data driven" politics is every bit as ideological as anything coming out of the Republican Party. It is a latest incarnation of the long trend of liberalisms attempts to create a "neutral" justification for the exploitation embedded within it, to "scientise" politics, ala economics and political science.

Politics is the outcome of the competing interests of groups, in capitalist societies driven by the interactions of capital, labour and state.
There is nothing neutral about the economy, nothing "evidence based" about the decisions of the central banks - these are political decisions made on the basis of the supporting the interests of capital(s) and the state.
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I was referring to the denial of COVID and its vaccine and global heating. Facts that are indisputable.
With evidence-based policy, the politics a party supports is what you want evidence for, and ignoring evidence and data leads to ideology, whether left or right. If your aim is to have the largest proportion of the population as happy as possible and no one actively disadvantaged then there is plenty of evidence to back this up that a left-wing approach is the best way of achieving this.
 
Storm Fox said:
I was referring to the denial of COVID and its vaccine and global heating. Facts that are indisputable.
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What "facts"? There is very good scientific evidence that anthropomorphic climate change is occurring - there are no facts about what should be done, nor are there 'facts' on the political causes. The disagreement of socialists with liberals, that capitalism is ultimately the problem, is not a disagreement of facts but ideology.
Storm Fox said:
With evidence-based policy, the politics a party supports is what you want evidence for, and ignoring evidence and data leads to ideology, whether left or right. If your aim is to have the largest proportion of the population as happy as possible and no one actively disadvantaged then there is plenty of evidence to back this up that a left-wing approach is the best way of achieving this.
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As I said this is the hoary old liberal trope of an ideology free politics. It is not "left-wing" at all. Nor is it non-ideological, the part I've emphasised is clearly ideological (if practical nonsense). The politics you've espoused over these posts is every bit as ideological as either US conservatives or myself.
 
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redsquirrel said:
What "facts"? There is very good scientific evidence that anthropomorphic climate change is occurring - there are no facts about what should be done, nor are there 'facts' on the political causes. The disagreement of socialists with liberals, that capitalism is ultimately the problem, is not a disagreement of facts but ideology.
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The bit in bold is the kind of thing being denied by the anti-science types, who seem to be the "thought leaders" (for want of a better term) of the right wing these days.
 
The constant lies and manipulation continue. 'Alternative facts', 'fake news'. It's batshit. I hope he's winged enough to be thrown off step - because this ongoing circus is bad enough without getting the full second term version of this petulant, pompous crook.

Round two would be him unrestrained and worse. Not that I think it will happen: he must be running out of road soon before he hurtles into the pit he has dug himself.
 
Yuwipi Woman said:
The right is fond of a book by left-winger, Saul Alinsky. His "Rules for Radicals" was a bestseller in far right circles a couple of years ago, while demonizing the book publicly. One of his principles is to "accuse the other side of that which you are guilty." I don't think he originated that idea, but he popularized it.
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Is there solid proof Alinsky ever said that, or is that a myth coming from the far-right weirdos who fixated on it? I suspect it's the latter. Doing a quick search, can't find much hard proof of Alinsky saying it, but also find it attributed to Lenin and Goebbels, who also probably didn't say it.
eta: can find the rules listed here, and that's definitely not one of them: Rules for Radicals - Saul Alinsky
 
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Anyway, is this the right thread for Rudy Giuliani news, or should that go somewhere else? He's had an interesting week:
www.rollingstone.com

Rudy Giuliani in Vile New Audio Transcripts: 'Jewish Men Have Small Cocks'

The transcripts were filed on Tuesday by Noelle Dunphy, who is suing the former Trump lawyer for sexual harassment
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“Jewish men have small cocks because they can’t use them after they get married,” Giuliani said, according to the transcript. “Whereas the Italian use them all their lives so they get bigger.”

Giuliani railed against how Jewish people “want to go through that freaking Passover all the time” and how they should “get over the Passover” because it was 3,000 years ago. “OK, the Red Sea parted,” the transcript reads. “Big deal. Not the first time that happened.”

Giuliani doesn’t elaborate on other instances when the Red Sea was parted.

The transcripts also feature Giuliani discussing which celebrities are Republican. Giuliani is trying to think of someone in particular and Dunphy volunteers that Matt Damon is “very liberal.”

“Matt Damon is a fag,” Giuliani replies. “Matt Damon is also 5’2″, eyes are blue. Coochi-coochie-coochie-coo.”

Various websites list Damon as around 5’10”. It’s unclear why Giuliani invoked the 1920s song “Has Anybody Seen My Girl? (Five Foot Two, Eyes of Blue)” or what it has to do with the actor.
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Saw someone refer to the second quote as "yeah, Rudy Giuliani and every adolescent at the seder."
 
Ax^ said:
hmm don't think you should call him president unless he the incumbent

former president trump would be correct

any American around who can confirm the correct protocol :hmm:
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The correct protocol is ithink 'I can't believe he was...' or 'he can't believe he isn't...'
 
hmm as the court judge showed no requirements call him president :D

he former president trump if you want to be polite
 
Humberto said:
The constant lies and manipulation continue. 'Alternative facts', 'fake news'. It's batshit. I hope he's winged enough to be thrown off step - because this ongoing circus is bad enough without getting the full second term version of this petulant, pompous crook.

Round two would be him unrestrained and worse. Not that I think it will happen: he must be running out of road soon before he hurtles into the pit he has dug himself.
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There's not much to it or him is there.! I'm the good person that's going to save you from the bad people. They're liars and they're all picking on me, something something Martyr. Kerching.
 
sealion said:
There's not much to it or him is there.! I'm the good person that's going to save you from the bad people. They're liars and they're all picking on me, something something Martyr. Kerching.
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Agree. I think it's clear that he has always operated like that, so the front is all there is to him. So he's good at it or fluent in it. Similar to many of the money and power hungry. They have elitist schools pretty much dedicated to persuading them it's dog eat dog, and then there is the rabble who don't count. They're just a prop. Trump is 'all in' I think. Will bluff and risk everything. I think the 'anti-establishment' rhetoric of the likes of Trump and Johnson, Musk and others is one of the worst aspects. People are taken in by it whilst being poisoned and hurting their class.

All that said I think the ruling-class have baulked at the idea of Trump as the truth-teller (setter), glorious saviour apeing North Korea and, as you say, 'victim'. They have to face workers from time to time no matter how much they try to aggrandise themselves.
 
trump after complaining he has unfriendly setting and judge on his case

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hmm i did not cause any insurrection but if you come at me i'll do it again :hmm:
 
Humberto said:
I think the 'anti-establishment' rhetoric of the likes of Trump and Johnson, Musk and others is one of the worst aspects.
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It surprises me that people buy into that. How can someone that was schooled at Eton and became prime minister not be part of the establishment. Trump was apparently a millionaire by the age of 9 and has lived a life of privilege and jet setting around the world to dine with members of the elite. I really do think that Trump is a twisted, dangerous, manipulative and evil cunt.
 
I do feel for anyone involved in the trial, they'll become targets for Trump's loons. What's the timescale for this as well, hard to see it happening this year tbh, especially as his side will drag it out pre-trial on any excuse surely?
 
NewWorldOrder01 said:
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New World Bank = OpenBSD
OpenBSD = Ballistics Systems Division

As a tax-payer who always seems to always vote for a shadowy cabal of pedophilia infatuated politicians...

It's always extremely refreshing to learn about what there idea of "New World Order" was....

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So much loon energy in this one. I'm welling up here at its madness. Beautifully deranged.
 
BigMoaner said:
So much loon energy in this one. I'm welling up here at its madness. Beautifully deranged.
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I love the OpenBSD thing. Going to come as a HUGE surprise to Linux geeks.

Oh and the Green Door thing. Who knew? well, who knew apart from Shakin' Stevens
 
ohmyliver said:
I love the OpenBSD thing. Going to come as a HUGE surprise to Linux geeks.

Oh and the Green Door thing. Who knew? well, who knew apart from Shakin' Stevens
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I love how it has the classic directional arrows. Arrows of madness or to madness. The loons love a directional arrow.
 
Also has the essential Pedo reference. Any Loon post without a Pedo reference is no Loon post worthy of mention.

Well done NeWorldOrder01, excellent content.
 
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