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lazythursday said:
Let's not forget that Trump is obsessed by his own ratings and popularity. It's his Achilles heel really. If he becomes deeply unpopular even in his favourite states he will react, likely blaming all the people around him.
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If so, he will do as he always does - lie about it and blame everybody else for spreading "fake news"
 
BigMoaner said:
apparently he's already been on the blower to putin and the ukraine leader, according to R4.
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Apparently, his odious offspring (T. Jr.) has taken to twatter to mock Zelensky telling him he has 38 days until his "allowance is cut off". Trump Sr. may be awful but Jr. is shaping up to eclipse his vileness by a pretty wide margin. The cunty coke-addled beardy manchild.
ignatious said:
On the other hand, as well as the question of competence and the expected infighting that will no doubt slow down his agenda, the actual numbers within congress are quite tight and there are a small number of republican moderates in the senate who will likely side with the democrats on some issues.
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The republicans were compliant and venal in Trump I when the guy had so-called 'guardrails' and 'adults in the room' to contain him. I doubt if an unrestricted Trump II is going to lead to these guys evolving a spine any time soon.

ignatious said:
Yes, I think he probably puts his own popularity above everything else and will not want to be remembered for being a divisive, hateful figure. The nutters have served their purpose by getting him elected and unless they truly do represent the majority opinion of Americans it's difficult to see their policies being implemented without serious push back. The 'broligarchy' crave volatility and that's what their policies will deliver, but with nearly 80% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, how is that going to go down in the real world?
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He will have to go to quite some lengths to end up being considered a hateful and divisive figure from his own side. He has already demonstrated he gives zero fucks about being considered hateful and divisive by his opponents.
 
Nylock said:
He will have to go to quite some lengths to end up being considered a hateful and divisive figure from his own side. He has already demonstrated he gives zero fucks about being considered hateful and divisive by his opponents.
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I am not saying this is a virtue by any means, infact i think it shows a real lack of "being a decent human being" but he is the most Zero-fucks politician i think i have ever seen.
 
The Broligarch and the Brolitariart, fostered by a diet of Brotein and Bro Brogan are interesting because it's always been men fucking up the world hasn't it, no need to highlight it in silly nicknames, but one strand of this current hellscape is that these "types" have all (and I see it amongst the young lads in the gym, i can feel it, i hear it amongst the young tradesmen at work) decided that "being a man" should be reconstructed, re-affirmed, returned back to some pathetic non-existant ideal. I don't actually have much of an issue with essentialising gender if that's your bag, plenty of women do this too for both themselves and men, but when it means shitting on and harrasing and outright oppression of minorities, then that's a whole other matter. I really do hate them though, that whole podcast eco system of them, i could see it from the off that it was toxic.
 
There’s also something about it being a reaction to the individualism of identity politics. Strategically, it was always questionable to define yourself via an ever narrower intersection of identities and insist that only people in your box can really understand you. Particularly if the basis under which you draw your categorisation is based on power relations. It doesn’t really matter how correct you might be in your analysis — it’s bad strategy to draw a line around your tribe of low power and use that categorisation to pick a fight with the ones you identify as having lots of power. If those with power decide you’re right and fight back, you’re not going to win. That’s why building solidarity based on class is a much smarter move, regardless of ideology.
 
kabbes said:
There’s also something about it being a reaction to the individualism of identity politics. Strategically, it was always questionable to define yourself via an ever narrower intersection of identities and insist that only people in your box can really understand you. Particularly if the basis under which you draw your categorisation is based on power relations. It doesn’t really matter how correct you might be in your analysis — it’s bad strategy to draw a line around your tribe of low power and use that categorisation to pick a fight with the ones you identify as having lots of power. If those with power decide you’re right and fight back, you’re not going to win. That’s why building solidarity based on class is a much smarter move, regardless of ideology.
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see also "therapy" and "self help".
 
ignatious said:
On the other hand, as well as the question of competence and the expected infighting that will no doubt slow down his agenda, the actual numbers within congress are quite tight and there are a small number of republican moderates in the senate who will likely side with the democrats on some issues.

Also, he does have a mandate to govern but, if post election polling is to be believed, the most important issue was the economy and specifically the exposure of the trickle down myth. We hear a lot about social issues and project 2025 which makes it seem like half the country are racist and -phobic nutters pining for authoritarianism but many Americans held their nose to vote for Trump and he needs to keep these people on side or he will be a lame duck after the midterms.

Yes, I think he probably puts his own popularity above everything else and will not want to be remembered for being a divisive, hateful figure. The nutters have served their purpose by getting him elected and unless they truly do represent the majority opinion of Americans it's difficult to see their policies being implemented without serious push back. The 'broligarchy' crave volatility and that's what their policies will deliver, but with nearly 80% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, how is that going to go down in the real world?
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Fair point about his majority in congress being slim, but how many moderate republicans are left? It seems to me that there’s such a culture of fear in the Republican Party now and such a cult of personality around around Trump that I expect most moderates will bend the knee. Moreover Trump has quite significant executive power to implement project 2025, especially in the domains of immigration, the civil service and the administrative agencies.
 
It must be really weird inside the Republican Party at the moment. I mean surely to fuck there’s loads of resistance/worry?
 
It’s worth watching the last Republican presidential nomination debate that Trump didn’t even bother to attend. Any candidate who issued any criticism of Trump whatsoever, no matter how mild, was booed, heckled and denounced by the other candidates. You get a real sense of the fear that permeates the Party and he’s solidified his power much more since then.
 
Jeff Robinson said:
It’s worth watching the last Republican presidential nomination debate that Trump didn’t even bother to attend. Any candidate who issued any criticism of Trump whatsoever, no matter how mild, was booed, heckled and denounced by the other candidates. You get a real sense of the fear that permeates the Party and he’s solidified his power much more since then.
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In a weird way it’s all kinda revolutionary isn’t it. Just a revolution the wrong fricking way.
 
Jeff Robinson said:
Fair point about his majority in congress being slim, but how many moderate republicans are left? It seems to me that there’s such a culture of fear in the Republican Party now and such a cult of personality around around Trump that I expect most moderates will bend the knee. Moreover Trump has quite significant executive power to implement project 2025, especially in the domains of immigration, the civil service and the administrative agencies.
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Well there are two (Collins and Murkowski) who are to all intents and purposes Democrats at this point so his majority is barely functional (+1 or 2 I think), and not all of the Republicans are fully behind Project 2025 even if they are pro-Trump.
 
i like him so much - clear, level headed, hasn't got that "if i say the wrong thing i will fuck up my career" energy that so many politicos have on both sides.
 
What happens if Trump dies/becomes incapacitated before the inauguration? Does Vance go straight in as president?
 
mildly worth a watch, covers a lot of what we wang on about on here. i think he's got a good take on the overall social media aspect of the trump issue. context: hassan is popular left wing streamer that has a large young audiance. but he is one of the very few, compared to the juggernaught which is the right wing online ecosystem. worth a watch.

 
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krtek a houby said:
Not sure that such conversations are breaking the law; it is pretty much the norm for transition governments and with opposition leaders...
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Opposition leaders, not foreign powers.

moochedit said:
Is there a law against that? Technically he is still a private citizen until jan.
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As a private citizen he is in breach of The Logan Act

“The President alone has the power to speak or listen as a representative of the nation. He makes treaties with the advice and consent of the Senate, but he alone negotiates. Into the field of negotiation, the Senate cannot intrude; and Congress itself is powerless to invade it. As Marshall said in his great argument of March 7, 1800, in the House of Representatives, 'The President is the sole organ of the nation in its external relations, and its sole representative with foreign nations.'”

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