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[Rompipalle]

Truly, the gift that keeps on giving...

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I could only see that proposing something stupid like that as an attempt to solidify the very poor impression that there seems to be around "the King" and the Royal Family generally at present.

Toadying up to that useless sack of orange shite is hardly the way to get anyone on-side and frankly the Royals just seem to be mired in more crap and general disinterest with each passing week. I'm not sure that fraternising with convicted criminals is the very best look and certainly not one to which they should be aspiring.

This year, they've been largely invisible due to their personal problems.... but hey ho - it doesn't bloody matter. We don't need them and would probably do rather better without them. Wasting money on that incontinent, gibbering scumbag Trump, would do nothing whatsoever to endear them to anyone.

 

[krtek a houby]

I could only see that proposing something stupid like that as an attempt to solidify the very poor impression that there seems to be around "the King" and the Royal Family generally at present.

Toadying up to that useless sack of orange shite is hardly the way to get anyone on-side and frankly the Royals just seem to be mired in more crap and general disinterest with each passing week. I'm not sure that fraternising with convicted criminals is the very best look and certainly not one to which they should be aspiring.

This year, they've been largely invisible due to their personal problems.... but hey ho - it doesn't bloody matter. We don't need them and would probably do rather better without them. Wasting money on that incontinent, gibbering scumbag Trump, would do nothing whatsoever to endear them to anyone.

It's your country's "special relationship" that gets wheeled out every time there's a new President. Plus, the royals have no say in these matters, so they have to accept the latest unearthly visitation from the weirdo.

They're welcome to each other.

 

[BigMoaner]

Foolishly perhaps I thought I’d give the rogan trump interview half an hour or so, interested in the “relaxed” long form format, whether it would show him in different lights, more dimensions, more grey areas. And no, the guys a weird empty lunatic still. He just waffles with no real depth behind anything. The environmental parts were in turn toe curlingly embarrassing and terrifying all at once. The narcissistic label is the closest I think: massive ego hiding wounded self, in constant need of defending itself.

 

[Dogsauce]

Well, except that the Democrats are also a branch of the capitalist class with wealth and power behind them. The lesser of two evils in this case, for sure. But still.

The Democrats are not “we”, mind. See above.

I was meaning the ‘we’ more generally, as in anything vaguely left (which I’m aware the democrats barely qualify).

My point is more that people curate their own news sources, and places like YouTube and Twitter boost right-wing content, either by owner’s discretion (musk), paid promotion from who the fuck knows, or organically pushed by algorithms (more ‘controversial’ political statements attract attention from both supporters and opponents, so stuff like this is pushed because it generates more of that all important engagement).

I don’t know how genuine grass roots stuff is supposed to break through anymore.

 

[Yossarian]

The Trump win has also emboldened fascists in Canada

 

[Dogsauce]

Mass deportations of Fash would be OK though, I could get onboard with that. Yaxley Lennon and the travelodge arsonists can all get shipped off to South Georgia at the end of their sentences.

 

[BigMoaner]

Interesting article on the 'Broligarch', 'disrupt!', and the path to Trump and god knows what else....

A new era dawns. America’s tech bros now strut their stuff in the corridors of power | Carole Cadwalladr

The era that began with the Great Disruptor’s first term is over. Beware the emerging elite

www.theguardian.com

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Mass deportations of Fash would be OK though, I could get onboard with that. Yaxley Lennon and the travelodge arsonists can all get shipped off to South Georgia at the end of their sentences.

((penguins))

 

[kabbes]

Interesting article on the 'Broligarch', 'disrupt', and the path to Trump and god knows what else....

A new era dawns. America’s tech bros now strut their stuff in the corridors of power | Carole Cadwalladr

The era that began with the Great Disruptor’s first term is over. Beware the emerging elite

www.theguardian.com

Well, that’s a terrifying perspective

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I really, really hope I’m wrong, but I fear this presidency may be cataclysmically bad. Not just bad as in, ‘he’ll implement bad policies’ but bad as in ‘he’ll fundamentally alter the culture and structure of government in ways that will have negative ramifications for generations, including a non-negligible risk of eroding democracy altogether’. His first term, in this respect, is also much worse than commonly thought given how much he altered the federal judiciary, but the second term will be on a different scale.

Trump rules over the GOP with an iron fist now and they are on the verge of taking both houses of congress. That will mean Trump has control of all three branches of government. The only non-Trumpist elements of government left will be the civil service and the administrative agencies. Project 2025 is about fully Trumpifying the former and largely abolishing the later. If that project is complete Trump will have close to the power of the king - don’t forget his ‘absolute immunity’ from criminal prosecution too. This is a man who is unhinged, vengeful and surrounded by rightwing fanatics. A man who has vowed to create a vast network of concentration camps for immigrants. A man who has vowed to ‘root out’ the ‘enemy within’. And there will be no guardrails. I don’t think the dangers of where this could go need to be spelled out.

All Americans who want to avert these dangers need to start thinking ‘what can I do to fight this?’ because one thing is obvious now - their democratic institutions will not do a damn thing to stop the fascist onslaught.

 

[krtek a houby]

It's too late, isn't it?

 

[emanymton]

I really, really hope I’m wrong, but I fear this presidency may be cataclysmically bad. Not just bad as in, ‘he’ll implement bad policies’ but bad as in ‘he’ll fundamentally alter the culture and structure of government in ways that will have negative ramifications for generations, including a non-negligible risk of eroding democracy altogether’. His first term, in this respect, is also much worse than commonly thought given how much he altered the federal judiciary, but the second term will be on a different scale.

Trump rules over the GOP with an iron fist now and they are on the verge of taking both houses of congress. That will mean Trump has control of all three branches of government. The only non-Trumpist elements of government left will be the civil service and the administrative agencies. Project 2025 is about fully Trumpifying the former and largely abolishing the later. If that project is complete Trump will have close to the power of the king - don’t forget his ‘absolute immunity’ from criminal prosecution too. This is a man who is unhinged, vengeful and surrounded by rightwing fanatics. A man who has vowed to create a vast network of concentration camps for immigrants. A man who has vowed to ‘root out’ the ‘enemy within’. And there will be no guardrails. I don’t think the dangers of where this could go need to be spelled out.

All Americans who want to avert these dangers need to start thinking ‘what can I do to fight this?’ because one thing is obvious now - their democratic institutions will not do a damn thing to stop the fascist onslaught.

I agree and this isn't just about America this will ripple out across the world. I could be wrong as well, but this felt like a far more important Presidential election than normal, this us a step change in the world order and a very bad one.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

It's too late, isn't it?

To prevent his presidency? Yes. To resist his policy agenda? No.

 

[krtek a houby]

To prevent his presidency? Yes. To resist his policy agenda? No.

Can't see that going down very well after inauguration

 

[lazythursday]

Let's not forget that Trump is obsessed by his own ratings and popularity. It's his Achilles heel really. If he becomes deeply unpopular even in his favourite states he will react, likely blaming all the people around him.

 

[krtek a houby]

Let's not forget that Trump is obsessed by his own ratings and popularity. It's his Achilles heel really. If he becomes deeply unpopular even in his favourite states he will react, likely blaming all the people around him.

Yes, good point. He did fall out with/fire a fair few the first time round

 

[PR1Berske]

Though that was because he didn't have a full gambit of supporters around him.

 

[krtek a houby]

Though that was because he didn't have a full gambit of supporters around him.

So it's all kool aid drinkers and opportunists this time

 

[PR1Berske]

So it's all kool aid drinkers and opportunists this time

If even just RFK and Musk get in, that's enough Kool-Aid to flood a stadium carpark full of opponents

 

[BigMoaner]

...i sort of snap out of things and realise that the hard right (i wouldn't say far right) have literally taken control of the united states of america. that's quite something in itself.

wild init.

 

[krtek a houby]

If even just RFK and Musk get in, that's enough Kool-Aid to flood a stadium carpark full of opponents

Pretty certain they won't last long in the administration - too much ego jostling

 

[BigMoaner]

apparently he's already been on the blower to putin and the ukraine leader, according to R4.

 

[krtek a houby]

apparently he's already been on the blower to putin and the ukraine leader, according to R4.

Makes sense. The great mediator.

 

[ignatious]

I really, really hope I’m wrong, but I fear this presidency may be cataclysmically bad. Not just bad as in, ‘he’ll implement bad policies’ but bad as in ‘he’ll fundamentally alter the culture and structure of government in ways that will have negative ramifications for generations, including a non-negligible risk of eroding democracy altogether’. His first term, in this respect, is also much worse than commonly thought given how much he altered the federal judiciary, but the second term will be on a different scale.

Trump rules over the GOP with an iron fist now and they are on the verge of taking both houses of congress. That will mean Trump has control of all three branches of government. The only non-Trumpist elements of government left will be the civil service and the administrative agencies. Project 2025 is about fully Trumpifying the former and largely abolishing the later. If that project is complete Trump will have close to the power of the king - don’t forget his ‘absolute immunity’ from criminal prosecution too. This is a man who is unhinged, vengeful and surrounded by rightwing fanatics. A man who has vowed to create a vast network of concentration camps for immigrants. A man who has vowed to ‘root out’ the ‘enemy within’. And there will be no guardrails. I don’t think the dangers of where this could go need to be spelled out.

All Americans who want to avert these dangers need to start thinking ‘what can I do to fight this?’ because one thing is obvious now - their democratic institutions will not do a damn thing to stop the fascist onslaught.

On the other hand, as well as the question of competence and the expected infighting that will no doubt slow down his agenda, the actual numbers within congress are quite tight and there are a small number of republican moderates in the senate who will likely side with the democrats on some issues.

Also, he does have a mandate to govern but, if post election polling is to be believed, the most important issue was the economy and specifically the exposure of the trickle down myth. We hear a lot about social issues and project 2025 which makes it seem like half the country are racist and -phobic nutters pining for authoritarianism but many Americans held their nose to vote for Trump and he needs to keep these people on side or he will be a lame duck after the midterms.

Let's not forget that Trump is obsessed by his own ratings and popularity. It's his Achilles heel really. If he becomes deeply unpopular even in his favourite states he will react, likely blaming all the people around him.

Yes, I think he probably puts his own popularity above everything else and will not want to be remembered for being a divisive, hateful figure. The nutters have served their purpose by getting him elected and unless they truly do represent the majority opinion of Americans it's difficult to see their policies being implemented without serious push back. The 'broligarchy' crave volatility and that's what their policies will deliver, but with nearly 80% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, how is that going to go down in the real world?

 

[emanymton]

Let's not forget that Trump is obsessed by his own ratings and popularity. It's his Achilles heel really. If he becomes deeply unpopular even in his favourite states he will react, likely blaming all the people around him.

I don't think he will loose much popularity though. When things get worse for his supporters they will either disassociate it completely from him and their vote or just blame other things like the deep state.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Let's not forget that Trump is obsessed by his own ratings and popularity. It's his Achilles heel really. If he becomes deeply unpopular even in his favourite states he will react, likely blaming all the people around him.

Tbh, the only thing I’m looking forward to about Trump’s presidency is the circular firing squad at the top. His little toadies deserve everything coming to them once their Sunny D Hitler decides they’re expendable.

 

[DotCommunist]

You know who was also surrounded by infighting and 'palace intrigues' and yet...

 

[lazythursday]

I don't think he will loose much popularity though. When things get worse for his supporters they will either disassociate it completely from him and their vote or just blame other things like the deep state.

The hard core supporters yes. That won't be everyone who voted for him. All political leaders become unpopular at some point.

 

[emanymton]

The hard core supporters yes. That won't be everyone who voted for him. All political leaders become unpopular at some point.

Sure, but I think it will take more than a couple of years in this case. Guess we will see.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

apparently he's already been on the blower to putin and the ukraine leader, according to R4.

And Netanyahu, finding a lot of agreement apparently. Things are going to go from hellish to even more hellish for Palestinians.