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Proof that Trumpism is a cult part 8890745858.

Here he is telling his supporters - even if they are sick - to go out into temperatures of -30 to vote for him - even if they die:



He's doing his classic 'joking/not joking' routine, but that shouldn't obscure the content of what he's saying here
 
bcuster said:
www.azcentral.com

Why that 'landslide' win in Iowa could spell trouble for Trump

Opinion: Donald Trump solidly won the Iowa Republican caucus. But it's not the landslide victory that many seem to think.
www.azcentral.com www.azcentral.com
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I’m inclined to agree that if 50% of Republican primary voters in Iowa don’t want him, that doesn’t bode well for him in a general election. He lost in 2020, and I suspect that his approval amongst Republicans was higher then than now.
 
Raheem said:
2016 is pre-Trumpism. He was a no-hoper.
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Came second...disruptor on the rise but there was an alternative...Trump get pulled...And it's Biden vs a straw man....not a good look moving forward....needs another Perot figure to emerge if they are going down the disbar route
 
petee said:
thank you for your concern.
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If there is no materialist explanation at all for Trump, what is the explanation for Trump (and the populism that is occurring not only in the states but across much of the world)?
Some sort of weird original sin? Are people predestined populists?
 
redsquirrel said:
If there is no materialist explanation at all for Trump, what is the explanation for Trump (and the populism that is occurring not only in the states but across much of the world)?
Some sort of weird original sin? Are people predestined populists?
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Facebook I blame facebook

all of us showing the old dears the interwebz

no it not for racism. :facepalm:
 
redsquirrel said:
If there is no materialist explanation at all for Trump, what is the explanation for Trump (and the populism that is occurring not only in the states but across much of the world)?
Some sort of weird original sin? Are people predestined populists?
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An explanation I've heard from a lot of US liberals is that Trumpism is a response to the declining demographic, cultural and political hegemony of WASP Americans, who are set to become a plurality rather than a majority in the not so distant future.

I think this is likely an element of it, but not the whole picture either; it is something that likely adds to the anxiety over the economic decline of small town America and makes it easier to frame it in terms of "great replacement" racist conspiracy theories or a resentment towards big city multicultural liberals destroying our way of life rather than in anti-capitalist terms.
 
Rimbaud said:
An explanation I've heard from a lot of US liberals is that Trumpism is a response to the declining demographic, cultural and political hegemony of WASP Americans, who are set to become a plurality rather than a majority in the not so distant future.

I think this is likely an element of it, but not the whole picture either; it is something that likely adds to the anxiety over the economic decline of small town America and makes it easier to frame it in terms of "great replacement" racist conspiracy theories or a resentment towards big city multicultural liberals destroying our way of life rather than in anti-capitalist terms.
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The way that I've often couched this is by the rural/urban divide. Rural areas trend red and urban areas tend to blue. As industrialization occurred, it left rural regions out of the loop economically and the right has taken advantage of the dissatisfaction that caused to pull rural whites into their influence. Prior to industrialization, rural areas were pretty liberal. It was some of states with the least population that first gave women the right to vote for example. When the farming crisis happened in the 1970s-80s, it really hit small towns hard. It seemed like the farming states suddenly got a lot more conservative around 1980. The digital revolution, which has left out large parts of the rural west, has put that trend into overdrive. I'm thinking that as the digital divide is resolved, they'll become less red. There will be access to a broader range of information than Fox News and the radio farm report. It will also allow the city educated kids of those farmers to go back to rural areas. It could change rural politics dramatically. You already hear people in rural areas talking about "those California people" moving in and changing things.
 
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Made me look up Nixon's resignation speech.....even he acknowledged getting stuff done meant needing a working relationship with Congress
 
Rimbaud said:
An explanation I've heard from a lot of US liberals is that Trumpism is a response to the declining demographic, cultural and political hegemony of WASP Americans, who are set to become a plurality rather than a majority in the not so distant future..
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Yuwipi Woman said:
The way that I've often couched this is by the rural/urban divide. Rural areas trend red and urban areas tend to blue. As industrialization occurred, it left rural regions out of the loop economically and the right has taken advantage of the dissatisfaction that caused to pull rural whites into their influence. Prior to industrialization, rural areas were pretty liberal. It was some of states with the least population that first gave women the right to vote for example........ It could change rural politics dramatically. You already hear people in rural areas talking about "those California people" moving in and changing things.
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I think there is an argument that all these are factors - but they are all clearly material factors.

The whole basis of socialism is that class struggle has a particular, defining, role in capitalism. But no one (ok some loon on the internet somewhere) is claiming it is the sole and only possible material factor that is present in capitalism, that no other factors are present, and can be present.

EDIT: Also the class struggle of the last 40 years is a component of both
 
redsquirrel said:
I think there is an argument that all these are factors - but they are all clearly material factors.

The whole basis of socialism is that class struggle has a particular, defining, role in capitalism. But no one (ok some loon on the internet somewhere) is claiming it is the sole and only possible material factor that is present in capitalism, that no other factors are present, and can be present.

EDIT: Also the class struggle of the last 40 years is a component of both
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Yep I wasn't disagreeing with you, just answering what non-material factors could be said to be at play.
 
redsquirrel said:
I think there is an argument that all these are factors - but they are all clearly material factors.

The whole basis of socialism is that class struggle has a particular, defining, role in capitalism. But no one (ok some loon on the internet somewhere) is claiming it is the sole and only possible material factor that is present in capitalism, that no other factors are present, and can be present.

EDIT: Also the class struggle of the last 40 years is a component of both
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America is an odd place the same people who tend to vote republican are the same people who voted for tripped down economics , tax cut for the rich and votes against to right to basic health care
 
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