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pogofish
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Yeah, the lack of any obvious figurehead/successor to Biden amongst the Democrats has always IMO been amongst their biggest weakness.
I would have hoped they would have used this term to get a few up-there in the public eye because FTM, the current set of people most likely to lead need a few more years yet.
I would have hoped they would have used this term to get a few up-there in the public eye because FTM, the current set of people most likely to lead need a few more years yet.
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Whatever happened to his stepping down after one term and Kamala Harris running?
Yuwipi Woman
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She'd lose and they know it. She's pretty unpopular so the only way she'd ever be president is if Biden dies in office.
Yossarian
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Yeah, she was in sixth place when she dropped out of the Democratic primaries last time around, not sure if she's done much as vice president that would lift her higher than that in a 2024 run
tim
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I'm surprised that you're surprised. I've always assumed that if he were ready and able to run, the nomination would be his. The real question is whether Republican voter suppression tactics are successful enough to enable him to win.
When I chose to name this thread after the old one, I was reflecting on the naivety of those of us posting here, and more generally the liberal commentariate and the left in the lead up to 2016. It's very likely that he will be the next US President and the consequences will be horrible.
tim
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The Republican Party has been captured by a far-Right coalition and he is the only figure that can hold that coalition together.
Yuwipi Woman
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I must say that really isn't an improvement.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
that was to be desantis, but remember that trump is a stone clinical narcissist and can and will turn everything into an ego contest which he'll win on the personal level. he ran away in 2012, lost a squeaker in 2016, ,and was historically trounced in 2020, but is still posturing as the winner and millions believe him.
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She may well vote for them, but is she an actual Democrat?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
tim
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1. The popular vote doesn't make you President as was seen in2016.
2. In states where they are in power the Republicans are working hard to suppress the Democrat vote
3. Biden is useless and has done little to win back angry Rustbelt voters.
4. Violence and intimidation often work, and Trump and his camp are very good at that.
tim
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In what way is Trump an actual Republican? The party establishment despise him.
Ax^
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trumps name being an a ballot will still cause counter effects for every positive its bring to the table
and violence and intimidation did not help him at the last election
and seeming as he already has one insurrection against his name plus legal trouble playing out daily
he would be a weird option for the GOP to pick as their selection
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
2016 was Trump's high point. He fluked a win against a useless candidate. But it's very hard to see how he could do it again.
A Trump endorsement in the mid-terms in 2022 was a little boost for shoo-ins but a hindrance in places where the contest was close. This seems typical. Trump-lovers will continue to love Trump no matter what he does, and they may just be a majority of Republican voters. That might win him the nomination, but it doesn't necessarily win him the election, as his chosen nominees discovered last year.
This seems to sum it up.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/15/data-trump-weighed-down-republican-candidates/
A Trump endorsement in the mid-terms in 2022 was a little boost for shoo-ins but a hindrance in places where the contest was close. This seems typical. Trump-lovers will continue to love Trump no matter what he does, and they may just be a majority of Republican voters. That might win him the nomination, but it doesn't necessarily win him the election, as his chosen nominees discovered last year.
This seems to sum it up.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/15/data-trump-weighed-down-republican-candidates/
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
It’s as much Biden to lose as Trump to win, he has a record he can now be challenged on, and things like the cost of living at the moment aren’t in his favour.
At the same time more sober-headed republicans can see that pursuing the ‘culture war’ (like DeSantis) isn’t working out for them, there aren’t quite enough assholes for it to provide dividends, and is if anything a distraction from economic matters where they’d stand a good chance of landing punches (in particular on fuel prices). If they stick with attacking gays and abortion as main topics they’ll not win it.
At the same time more sober-headed republicans can see that pursuing the ‘culture war’ (like DeSantis) isn’t working out for them, there aren’t quite enough assholes for it to provide dividends, and is if anything a distraction from economic matters where they’d stand a good chance of landing punches (in particular on fuel prices). If they stick with attacking gays and abortion as main topics they’ll not win it.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Tax cuts for the rich
Wrecking environment legislation
Appointing conservative judges
He's anti-Republican in some ways, such as his ambivalence towards free trade, but in terms of what the modern Republican Party stands for, namely slashing government services and promoting the interests of the rich combined with vicious social attitudes, he ticks most of the boxes.
littlebabyjesus
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This is true but of course cuts both ways. Historically, the incumbent has had an advantage at most levels in US elections, including for the president.
Hence Trump's fury at being a one-term loser like Carter and Bush Snr.
tim
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The GOP doesn't select a candidate in the way that British Parties do. Here elements of the party hierarchy present a slate of candidates to party members, who in turn are a smallish group who pay membership dues and may be vetoed. Anyone can register to vote as either a Republican or Democrat in Primaries and the party establishment can not veto people from standing as candidates. If they could Trump would never have got on the primary ballot in 2016. There is nobody who can stop Trump from standing if he's not dead or in gaol in 2024 and there is no way from stopping radicalised registered voters from choosing him.
krtek a houby
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No sure who you're replying to here, my question was about Michelle Obama.
However, since you asked, Trump is a grifting opportunist who promotes his own ego, and at one stage would have run under the Democrats until said ego was put out of joint.
The party establishment may well hate him, but they need him, too.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Nah. He's a problem for them. Plenty of Republican bigwigs and strategists would be very happy if Trump dropped dead tomorrow.
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Most seem too frightened to condemn him and those that do, end up doing a u turn.
It would be happy days indeed, if he were to go offline, but he'll probably live for another 20 years and get at least another stint in the White House.
littlebabyjesus
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Doesn't mean they don't want him dead. They're in a bind. Both going against him and going along with him are bad options for many of them.
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The GOP have really shafted themselves, which is good but not good for those who suffer most under Republican government.
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