Do you support pubs and venues demanding NHS Covid 'passports' (with the option to test on the door)?

[editor]

So what's your take on this, urban?
I'm going for option 2 as I can't see any other way it's safe to keep venues open...

 

[weltweit]

By "Covid passport", do you mean the NHS app (on your phone) page/code you get after your vaccinations?

If so I don't have anything against using it for access.

Except of course it is only as accurate as at the moment it was created, the individual could have contracted covid after that and not been identified yet.

 

[editor]

By "Covid passport", do you mean the NHS app (on your phone) page/code you get after your vaccinations?

If so I don't have anything against using it for access.

Except of course it is only as accurate as at the moment it was created, the individual could have contracted covid after that and not been identified yet.

I'll reword the title for clarity. It's a tricky thing to concisely word so am open to suggestions.

 

[hitmouse]

God, that'd be a long 20 minutes or so of standing around uselessly outside the pub if you did have a LFT on the door. But yeah, my opinions about vaccine passports for pubs/venues/similar voluntary activities are a lot more relaxed than my opinion about vaccine passports for jobs or the like, considering that we all managed to survive without ever once going to the pub at all for... however long it was that all the pubs were closed.

 

[cupid_stunt]

The current rules on this, covers being vaccinated or have a negative LFT prior, where has the idea of doing it on the door come from?

 

[editor]

God, that'd be a long 20 minutes or so of standing around uselessly outside the pub if you did have a LFT on the door. But yeah, my opinions about vaccine passports for pubs/venues/similar voluntary activities are a lot more relaxed than my opinion about vaccine passports for jobs or the like, considering that we all managed to survive without ever once going to the pub at all for... however long it was that all the pubs were closed.

It's a ridiculous faff of course (and I doubt if many would take up the offer) but offering testing on the door does at least mean that no one is being excluded - even rabid anti-vaxxers - so long as they can prove that they're not stuffed full of covid.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Is this the thing which records reported LFT test results?

My concern with this is that there will be twats who don't actually do the test but report a negative test so they can go and do whatever...

 

[editor]

The current rules on this, covers being vaccinated or have a negative LFT prior, where has the idea of doing it on the door come from?

I guess if you wanted to do your best to try and keep people safe, it's quite an ask to just accept a negative LFT test at face value...

 

[hitmouse]

The next in-person event I'm (hopefully, fingers crossed) thinking of going to in January is asking attendees to bring evidence of a negative LFT from that day, which seems reasonable enough to me.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I guess if you wanted to do your best to try and keep people safe, it's quite an ask to just accept a negative LFT test at face value...

TBF, it's a big ask to think vaccinated people are safe, without a negative LFT test also, because clearly they are not.

 

[editor]

TBF, it's a big ask to think vaccinated people are safe, without a negative LFT test also, because clearly they are not.

It's never ever going to be perfect, but surely this flawed system would be better than just letting anyone in?

And the point I was making was that people could just bring in an old negative LFT test when they were positively humming with 'rona.

 

[Dr. Furface]

NHS app for proof of vaccination and/or negative same day LFT proof, fine. But not testing on the door, except for a temperature test which takes no time at all

 

[editor]

NHS app for proof of vaccination and/or negative same day LFT proof, fine. But not testing on the door, except for a temperature test which takes no time at all

How could you prove the LFT was taken that day?
(not nit-picking here I'm genuinely trying to find the 'best' compromise)

 

[MickiQ]

Voted for No 2 with the majority opinion on this, has for a negative LFT test then easiest thing is to insist it being within the last 48hrs like for travel. As for offering on the door I would leave that to individual venues as to whether they do it and to individual punters to decide if they want a drink badly enough to stand outside shivering for 20 mins

 

[scifisam]

It's a ridiculous faff of course (and I doubt if many would take up the offer) but offering testing on the door does at least mean that no one is being excluded - even rabid anti-vaxxers - so long as they can prove that they're not stuffed full of covid.

And the people who genuinely can't have a vaccine. They won't all want to not socialise for fucking ever.

I voted for the first option but I suppose I really mean the second.

 

[hitmouse]

How could you prove the LFT was taken that day?
(not nit-picking here I'm genuinely trying to find the 'best' compromise)

If you use the app to report a negative test then you should get a text message or something confirming it, I think.

 

[cupid_stunt]

It's never ever going to be perfect, but surely this flawed system would be better than just letting anyone in?

And the point I was making was that people could just bring in an old negative LFT test when they were positively humming with 'rona.

Proof of vaccination could have worked when delta was the problem, but in the omicron era it is pointless, at least until the app is updated to include booster jabs.

 

[MickiQ]

How could you prove the LFT was taken that day?
(not nit-picking here I'm genuinely trying to find the 'best' compromise)

home ones wouldn't be good enough you'd need an official stamped one from the likes of our own Badgers and his oppos

 

[magneze]

Not really, no. An LFT on the door for everyone regardless of vaccination status is probably the only effective way to do it. That'd be effective and the safest option - assuming that safeness was paramount. Of course, it is a little impractical. Where do all the people wait their 15 minutes for the result for a start?

LFT on the door is because Omicron can develop in hours - so a test in the morning could be different in the evening.

As we're seeing, vaccination status doesn't tell you anything about infectiousness. Annoyingly.

 

[Dr. Furface]

Proof of vaccination could have worked when delta was the problem, but in the omicron era it is pointless, at least until the app is updated to include booster jabs.

The app does show boosters now - it didnt at first but they sorted it out pretty quick

 

[Badgers]

Not really, no. An LFT on the door for everyone regardless of vaccination status is probably the only effective way to do it. That'd be effective and the safest option - assuming that safeness was paramount. Of course, it is a little impractical. Where do all the people wait their 15 minutes for the result for a start?

LFT on the door is because Omicron can develop in hours - so a test in the morning could be different in the evening.

As we're seeing, vaccination status doesn't tell you anything about infectiousness. Annoyingly.

The new LFTs are 10 mins but still impractical

 

[Yossarian]

Proof of vaccination for the vaccinated, LFT test for those unable to get vaccinated, table outside by the bins for the anti-vaxxers.

 

[Flavour]

testing on the door is clearly unworkable. never going to happen.
where I live showing your vaccine passport has been mandatory for bars/restaurants for months already and it's not such a big deal though with Omicron increasingly pointless given the vaccine escape.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

How could you prove the LFT was taken that day?
(not nit-picking here I'm genuinely trying to find the 'best' compromise)

The thing with a home LFT is you can just go online report the serial number as a negative test without having done it.

 

[Ax^]

only way it could work is you were paying security to work the doors all the time


so bored young kid earning min wage is going to put up with pissed up anti vaxxers

fuck that, plus depending on the pub might not be safe

 

[cupid_stunt]

The app does show boosters now - it didnt at first but they sorted it out pretty quick

Well that's good, but until it becomes a requirement of entry, that vaccination status must include a booster jab & two week after it, it remains pointless without a negative LFT.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Also: what about those who are exempted from taking tests?

 

[MickiQ]

Also: what about those who are exempted from taking tests?

Whose exempt from taking a test?

 

[magneze]

If we want to feel like something is being done, but without being particularly effective, then vaccine passports are great. I fully expect the government to implement them as this has pretty much been their MO throughout.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

No issue with requiring relevant proof for H & S reasons.